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Bring in the refugees!
Topic Started: Jan 5 2016, 03:26 PM (4,613 Views)
George K
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John D'Oh
Jan 9 2016, 03:43 PM
I have to wonder if the people who say the things they say have actually spent any time with people who happen to be Muslims - to the point at which they stop thinking of them primarily in terms of their religion, but rather as just people.
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Jan 9 2016, 03:45 PM
John D'Oh
Jan 9 2016, 03:43 PM
I have to wonder if the people who say the things they say have actually spent any time with people who happen to be Muslims - to the point at which they stop thinking of them primarily in terms of their religion, but rather as just people.
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Every day for the last 35 years.
You've not talked about hating or despising Muslims as some others have.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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Jan 9 2016, 03:48 PM
You've not talked about hating or despising Muslims as some others have.
No, I haven't.

[off topic]

Had an interesting conversation with one of the guys about the whole Sunni/Shia thing. He told me that the only things the Shi'ites hate more than the Jews are the Sunnis.

[on topic]

And yeah, Moonbat, he enjoys a bottle of beer every now and then, fasting during Ramadan. He'd probably be flogged for that in some places.
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You don't think it's possible that all Muslims aren't the same, do you?
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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John D'Oh
Jan 9 2016, 03:58 PM
You don't think it's possible that all Muslims aren't the same, do you?
That's what they want you to think.
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Jan 9 2016, 02:57 PM
We are going to a place called Clearwater, Florida.
I've been working my whole life hoping I can get a little place in Florida.

This kid is like 10 years old and he already has it.

Those refugees are so lucky.

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Jan 9 2016, 04:02 PM
Those refugees are so lucky.
Who's paying for that again?
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Jan 9 2016, 02:57 PM
What do you think should be done?
Touching pictures. I distinctly remember being lambasted for posting touching pictures in a political discussion.

But, what do you think should be done? No resources are limitless, and Germany (among other countries) is beginning to realize that.

Perhaps just put all the "refugees" on a train trough the chunnel and let them move to Rotherdam.

Surely, you wouldn't have a problem with that, would you. Another million refugees (or perhaps two) shouldn't have any effect on Britain, would they?

Let them all in. Why not? After all, there are suffering women and children.

Or do you have something else in mind?
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Jan 9 2016, 03:14 PM
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I'm waiting for the article about the "peaceful muslims" that were in the crowd, that stepped in and tried to stop the assaults and robbery. Or some screen shots of cellphone messages condemning the attacks as they began instead of cellphone messages used to coordinate the attacks in various cities.

As I mentioned in a post awhile back: add alcohol and see what happens.


You're don;t get stories about peaceful actions because they aren't the kind of stories that sell papers.

And alcohol? Are you kidding? Have you ever actually met a muslim? Had a conversation? Had lunch?
Yep. Lots of them. Especially when i was in California. They drank, hit clumsily on American women and had the best damn opium.
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Touching pictures. I distinctly remember being lambasted for posting touching pictures in a political discussion.

It shouldn't be a political discussion. It should be a humatiarian one.

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But, what do you think should be done? No resources are limitless, and Germany (among other countries) is beginning to realize that.

Perhaps just put all the "refugees" on a train trough the chunnel and let them move to Rotherdam.

Surely, you wouldn't have a problem with that, would you. Another million refugees (or perhaps two) shouldn't have any effect on Britain, would they?

Let them all in. Why not? After all, there are suffering women and children.

Or do you have something else in mind?


Yes, let them in. I agree. Disperse them amongst Western nations maybe weighted by population so as to reduce the social impact. Done.
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But, what do you think should be done? No resources are limitless, and Germany (among other countries) is beginning to realize that.

Perhaps just put all the "refugees" on a train trough the chunnel and let them move to Rotherdam.

Surely, you wouldn't have a problem with that, would you. Another million refugees (or perhaps two) shouldn't have any effect on Britain, would they?

Let them all in. Why not? After all, there are suffering women and children.

Or do you have something else in mind?
Yes, let them in. I agree. Disperse them amongst Western nations maybe weighted by population so as to reduce the social impact. Done.

So, basically, everyone who wants to move should be allowed to do so. I'll let the embassy in New Zealand and the one in Australia know that I'm coming.
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Why disperse them among the western nations? Why should they not go to China and Russia and Egypt and Morocco?
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Jan 9 2016, 04:42 PM

Yes, let them in. I agree. Disperse them amongst Western nations maybe weighted by population so as to reduce the social impact. Done.
What is the limit?

What is the point where if you take even one more all of them will starve?

Is there any system to deal with this? There are millions you know.

How much will it cost?

Is there any limit on the cost?

Have you even begun consider this?

You are no humanitarian unless you can answer all these questions and more.

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Jan 9 2016, 04:48 PM
Why disperse them among the western nations? Why should they not go to China and Russia and Egypt and Morocco?
That's reasonable. Less burden per country.
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Dear Mr. D'Oh,

I think all of us know Muslims, done business with them, worked with them and GASP! even had Muslim friends (Enderi and Hadidi, y'all out there :wave: ).

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Jan 9 2016, 06:46 PM
Dear Mr. D'Oh,

I think all of us know Muslims, done business with them, worked with them and GASP! even had Muslim friends (Enderi and Hadidi, y'all out there :wave: ).

Regardless of what you may think, we ain't ignant.
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John, I see your point. I think part of the difficulty is that some of us are talking about 'Muslims' some of the time, some of us are talking about ISIS some of the time, some of us are talking about rampaging Syrian refugees some of the time, and some of us get them mixed up a lot of the time. It is easy to fall into the habit of thinking about and talking about a group of people as if they were a breed of fish -- all looking and being exactly alike. In fact, in trying to sort out this extremely complex subject, it is hard not to sometimes.

And we all do it -- not necessarily only with Muslims. 'The Israelis', 'the Chinese', et cetera.

It becomes especially difficult when the group one is thinking about, any of the three, makes a constant and consistent issue out of acting from the same motivation 24/7. They positively clamor for it. It's like the brain says, 'Okay, you want to be treated thus? We can do that.'

You are right, these groups are made up of individuals. I will keep your admonition in mind. But there's a limit to my obligation to bend over backwards to individualize people who themselves work overtime collectively to make clear how much they hate my country and therefore, me.

It's a fine line.
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You are right, these groups are made up of individuals. I will keep your admonition in mind. But there's a limit to my obligation to bend over backwards to individualize people who themselves work overtime collectively to make clear how much they hate my country and therefore, me.

It's a fine line.
Mass immigration brings problems.
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Sexual assaults and even rape happen every year at big events like Oktoberfest. "The way to the toilet alone is like running the gauntlet: within 50 feet, you can be sure to tally three hugs from drunken strangers, two pats on the ass, someone looking up your dirndl, and some beer purposely splashed right down your cleavage," wrote Karoline Beisel and Beate Wild in 2011, in the Süddeutsche Zeitung. An average of ten reported rapes take place each year at Oktoberfest. The estimated number of unreported cases is 200.

A 2004 study on the living conditions, security, and health of women in Germany, showed that 13 percent of German women have experienced a form of criminal sexualized violence. The scandal is that only 8 percent of these women filed a complaint with the police. If you include multiple complaints, then the figure decreases to 5 percent. That means that an incredible 95 percent of women in Germany who experience sexual violence don't report it to the police.


http://www.vice.com/read/rape-culture-germany-cologne-new-years-2016-876

Maybe prohibition is the answer.... :tomato:

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You are right, these groups are made up of individuals. I will keep your admonition in mind. But there's a limit to my obligation to bend over backwards to individualize people who themselves work overtime collectively to make clear how much they hate my country and therefore, me.


To individualize people? Really?

People are automatically individuals, they don't need to be "individualized". There is no limit on our obligation to not judge one man by the actions of another.

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Mass immigration brings problems.

For sure Immigration can bring problems, primarily because poverty brings problems and immigration usually involves people who are from impoverished backgrounds. On the topic of Muslims: they are not a homogenous group any more than Christians, or Jews or any collection of people one can attach a religio-cultural group label. Cultural norms vary enormously between different regions and different ethnic sub-groups. (And rape statistics in Sweden are somewhat misleading because they are defined and reported differently. The number of sexual assaults has remained constant yet immigration increased 2005 and 2014 - source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden.) Though to be honest it would make little difference to my argument. I don't understand how anyone can give credence to the notion that protecting small numbers of westerners outweighs helping large numbers of people in desperate situations.

Here are some more stories from http://www.humansofnewyork.com/:

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I want to begin this refugee series with a post from the summer of 2014. This is Muhammad, who I first met last year in Iraqi Kurdistan. At the time, he had just fled the war in Syria and was working as a clerk at my hotel. When war broke out, he’d been studying English Literature at the University of Damascus, so his English was nearly perfect. He agreed to work as my interpreter and we spent several days interviewing refugees who were fleeing the advance of ISIS. As is evident from the quote below, I left Muhammad with the expectation that he’d soon be travelling to the United Kingdom with fake papers. I am retelling the story because I have just now reconnected with Muhammad. He will be working again as my interpreter for the next ten days. But the story he told me of what happened since we last met is tragic. (1/6) ————————————— “The fighting got very bad. When I left Syria to come here, I only had $50. I was almost out of money when I got here. I met a man on the street, who took me home, and gave me food and a place to stay. But I felt so ashamed to be in his home that I spent 11 hours a day looking for jobs, and only came back to sleep. I finally found a job at a hotel. They worked me 12 hours a day, for 7 days a week. They gave me $400 a month. Now I found a new hotel now that is much better. I work 12 hours per day for $600 a month, and I get one day off. In all my free hours, I work at a school as an English teacher. I work 18 hours per day, every day. And I have not spent any of it. I have not bought even a single T-shirt. I’ve saved 13,000 Euro, which is how much I need to buy fake papers. There is a man I know who can get me to Europe for 13,000. I'm leaving next week. I'm going once more to Syria to say goodbye to my family, then I'm going to leave all this behind. I’m going to try to forget it all. And I’m going to finish my education.” (August 2014 : Erbil, Iraq)

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"Before leaving for Europe, I went back to Syria to see my family once more. I slept in my uncle's barn the entire time I was there, because every day the police were knocking on my father's door. Eventually my father told me: 'If you stay any longer, they will find you and they will kill you.' So I contacted a smuggler and made my way to Istanbul. I was just about to leave for Europe when I received a call from my sister. She told me that my father had been very badly beaten by police, and unless I sent 5,000 Euro for an operation, he would die. That was my money to get to Europe. But what could I do? I had no choice. Then two weeks later she called with even worse news. My brother had been killed by ISIS while he was working in an oil field. They found our address on his ID card, and they sent his head to our house, with a message: 'Kurdish people aren't Muslims.' My youngest sister found my brother's head. This was one year ago. She has not spoken a single word since."

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"For two weeks my tears didn't stop. Nothing made sense. Why did these things happen to my family? We did everything right. Everything. We were very honest with everyone. We treated our neighbors well. We made no big mistakes. I was under so much pressure at this time. My father was in intensive care, and every day my sisters called and told me that ISIS was getting closer to our village. I went completely crazy. I fainted in the street one day and woke up in the hospital. I gave the rest of my money to a smuggler to help my sisters escape to Iraq. Now I only had 1000 Euro left and I was stranded in Turkey. My father recovered from his operation at this time. He called me and asked how I’d paid for his surgery. I told him that the money came from a friend. He asked if I had made it to Europe. For the first time ever, I lied to my father. I didn't want him to feel guilty about his surgery. I told him that I was in Europe, and I was safe, and there was nothing to worry about."

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"After I told my father that I'd made it to Europe, I wanted nothing more than to turn that lie into the truth. I found a smuggler and told him my story. He acted like he cared very much and wanted to help me. He told me that for 1000 Euros, he could get me to a Greek Island. He said: 'I'm not like the other smugglers. I fear God. I have children of my own. Nothing bad will happen to you.' I trusted this man. One night he called me and told me to meet him at a garage. He put me in the back of a van with twenty other people. There were tanks of gasoline back there, and we couldn't breath. People started to scream and vomit. The smuggler pulled out a gun, pointed it at us, and said: 'If you don’t shut up, I will kill you.' He took us to a beach, and while he prepared the boat, his partner kept the gun pointed at us. The boat was made of plastic and was only three meters long. When we got on it, everyone panicked and the boat started to sink. Thirteen of the people were too scared to go. But the smuggler said that if we changed our minds, he would keep the money, so seven of us decided to go ahead. The smuggler told us that he would guide us to the island, but after a few hundred meters, he jumped off the boat and swam to shore. He told us to keep going straight. The waves got higher and higher and water began to come in the boat. It was completely black. We could see no land, no lights, only ocean. Then after thirty minutes the motor stopped. I knew we all would die. I was so scared that my thoughts completely stopped. The women started crying because none of them could swim. I lied and told them that I could swim with three people on my back. It started to rain. The boat began to turn in circles. Everyone was so frightened that nobody could speak. But one man kept trying to work on the motor, and after a few minutes it started again. I don’t remember how we reached shore. But I remember I kissed all the earth I could find. I hate the sea now. I hate it so much. I don’t like to swim it. I don’t like to look at it. I hate everything about it."

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"The island we landed on was called Samothrace. We were so thankful to be there. We thought we’d reached safety. We began to walk toward the police station to register as refugees. We even asked a man on the side of the road to call the police for us. I told the other refugees to let me speak for them, since I spoke English. Suddenly two police jeeps came speeding toward us and slammed on the brakes. They acted like we were murderers and they’d been searching for us. They pointed guns at us and screamed: 'Hands up!' I told them: 'Please, we just escaped the war, we are not criminals!' They said: 'Shut up, Malaka!' I will never forget this word: 'Malaka, Malaka, Malaka.' It was all they called us. They threw us into prison. Our clothes were wet and we could not stop shivering. We could not sleep. I can still feel this cold in my bones. For three days we had no food or water. I told the police: 'We don’t need food, but please give us water.' I begged the commander to let us drink. Again, he said: 'Shut up, Malaka!' I will remember this man’s face for the rest of my life. He had a gap in his teeth so he spit on us when he spoke. He chose to watch seven people suffer from thirst for three days while they begged him for water. We were saved when they finally they put us on a boat and sent us to a camp on the mainland. For twelve days we stayed there before walking north. We walked for three weeks. I ate nothing but leaves. Like an animal. We drank from dirty rivers. My legs grew so swollen that I had to take off my shoes. When we reached the border, an Albanian policeman found us and asked if we were refugees. When we told him 'yes,' he said that he would help us. He told us to hide in the woods until nightfall. I did not trust this man, but I was too tired to run. When night came, he loaded us all into his car. Then he drove us to his house and let us stay there for one week. He bought us new clothes. He fed us every night. He told me: 'Do not be ashamed. I have also lived through a war. You are now my family and this is your house too.'

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"After one month, I arrived in Austria. The first day I was there, I walked into a bakery and met a man named Fritz Hummel. He told me that forty years ago he had visited Syria and he’d been treated well. So he gave me clothes, food, everything. He became like a father to me. He took me to the Rotary Club and introduced me to the entire group. He told them my story and asked: 'How can we help him?' I found a church, and they gave me a place to live. Right away I committed myself to learning the language. I practiced German for 17 hours a day. I read children's stories all day long. I watched television. I tried to meet as many Austrians as possible. After seven months, it was time to meet with a judge to determine my status. I could speak so well at this point, that I asked the judge if we could conduct the interview in German. He couldn't believe it. He was so impressed that I'd already learned German, that he interviewed me for only ten minutes. Then he pointed at my Syrian ID card and said: 'Muhammad, you will never need this again. You are now an Austrian!'"

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For context on the upcoming stories, it is important to understand the 'plastic boat.' The plastic boat is a central figure in the story of almost every refugee coming to Europe via Turkey. Every day, thousands of people arrive to the Greek islands on these boats. They represent one of the only ways that refugees can bypass immigration restrictions and throw themselves at the feet of Europe. The journey is extremely dangerous and many have drowned in the past few months. Despite paying Turkish smugglers $1500 per person, the refugees are loaded into boats that are filled to many times their capacity. The boats usually leave at night to avoid detection. Often the refugees arrive carrying nothing but horror stories. Unfortunately there is little waiting for them on the other side. If they are lucky, a handful of volunteers will meet them on the beach with a bottle of water. In Lesvos, where this photo was taken, the refugees will then begin a 50-mile walk to the port where they can register. The UNHCRand several NGOs are scrambling to provide bare necessities, but their resources are stretched to capacity. They can offer little beyond a guarantee of survival. The initial elation of the refugees at having reached Europe will quickly subside as many realize they cannot even afford the price of a ferry to get off the island.

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"My husband and I sold everything we had to afford the journey. We worked 15 hours a day in Turkey until we had enough money to leave. The smuggler put 152 of us on a boat. Once we saw the boat, many of us wanted to go back, but he told us that anyone who turned back would not get a refund. We had no choice. Both the lower compartment and the deck were filled with people. Waves began to come into the boat so the captain told everyone to throw their baggage into the sea. In the ocean we hit a rock, but the captain told us not to worry. Water began to come into the boat, but again he told us not to worry. We were in the lower compartment and it began to fill with water. It was too tight to move. Everyone began to scream. We were the last ones to get out alive. My husband pulled me out of the window. In the ocean, he took off his life jacket and gave it to a woman. We swam for as long as possible. After several hours he told me he that he was too tired to swim and that he was going to float on his back and rest. It was so dark we could not see. The waves were high. I could hear him calling me but he got further and further away. Eventually a boat found me. They never found my husband."

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"I wish I could have done more for her. Her life has been nothing but struggle. She hasn't known many happy moments. She never had a chance to taste childhood. When we were getting on the plastic boat, I heard her say something that broke my heart. She saw her mother being crushed by the crowd, and she screamed: 'Please don’t kill my mother! Kill me instead!'"

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"There is no security in Baghdad. We lived in constant fear. We started receiving text messages one day. They said: 'Give us money, or we will burn down your house. If you tell the police, we will kill you.' We had nobody to turn to. We are poor people. We have no powerful friends. We don't know anyone in the government. The text messages continued every day. We were so afraid that we could not sleep. We had no money to give them. We could barely afford to feed ourselves. So we said to ourselves: 'Maybe they are lying. Maybe they will do nothing.' Then one night we woke up and our house was on fire. We barely escaped with the children. The next day we received a text message. It said: 'Give us money, or this time you will die.' I replied that we’d pay them soon. We sold everything we owned, and we left. We thought we'd rather die in a plastic boat than die there."

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"Everyone here has been very nice to us. When we got to the beach, there were people there who gave us food and a hug. A priest even gave us this carpet to pray on. He told us: 'We have the same God'"

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"My father was a farmer and we had eight siblings. I went to Australia when I was fifteen because my family didn't have enough to eat. I was on a boat for forty days. When I got there, I couldn't find a job, I couldn't speak English, and I had to sleep on the street. I know what it's like. So everyday I drive the van to the port and hand out bread to the refugees. My son is my business partner. He says, 'Baba, please. It's fine to help. But not every day.' But I still go every day because I know what it feels like to have nothing."

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"ISIS looks for any reason to punish you. If they saw me with my face shaved, they’d punish me. If they saw me with these jeans, they’d punish me. Two of them walked into my electronics shop, and they asked me why my beard was so short. I tried to make an excuse about having just returned from vacation, but they said: 'Come with us.' I begged them to forgive me, but they took me to the judge and I was sentenced to three days of digging tunnels at the airport. They told me that they'd come get me when it was time. When they came to my house, I was hiding, so they took my neighbors instead. Everyone they took that day was killed by American planes"

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The extent to which refugee children have been conditioned by their environment is heartbreaking. We wanted permission to take this young girl’s photograph, so we asked if her mother was nearby. Her eyes filled with the most uncontrollable fear that I've ever seen in a child. 'Why do you want my mother?' she asked. Later, her parents told us how the family had crouched in the woods while soldiers ransacked their house in Syria. More recently they'd been chased through the woods by Turkish police. After we'd spent a few minutes talking with her parents, she returned to being a child and could not stop hugging us, and laughing, and saying 'I love you so much.' But I went to sleep that night remembering the terror on her face when we first asked to speak to her mother.
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The touchy feely "look at this guy, he's nice" stories are all well and good, but it's just smarmy bullsh!t that sidesteps the problem. Yes, individuals are different - but individuals are irrelevant. The "peaceful majority" is irrelevant. And, the notion that you can "disperse them among the population" is silly, since that makes for a nice theory, but doesn't work in the real world. In the real world, the majority of these "individuals" gather in groups, refuse to assimilate, demand that their host country change to accommodate *their* culture, all while applying for and getting every government handout that's available to them, and then spend their time breeding like cockroaches.

No one here including me has said there aren't nice, decent muslims to be found. But I haven't been talking about them, because they are irrelevant. For every one you can post a picture of and then give a nice touchy feely story for, anyone can show you a thousand who are the dregs of humanity.

So while you're sitting in a swing sipping tea with the nice guy having warm fuzzies together, there's a thousand of them working on a way to kill both of you.

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Bring 'em in. I'm sure they have great senses of humor.

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Jan 10 2016, 08:25 AM
I don't understand how anyone can give credence to the notion that protecting small numbers of westerners outweighs helping large numbers of people in desperate situations.

Again, that is not the question.

For crying out loud, everyone, and I mean everyone, knows the right thing to do in terms of humanitarian aid.

The question is can it be done?

How much does it cost? In terms of money, time, people and harm to existing systems, how much?

Can we afford it?

There is certainly not a soul here who needs your preachy cut/paste to understand the problem.

The real humanitarian understands the limits.

And considers consequences to everyone involved.

The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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