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Shootings in Paris
Topic Started: Nov 13 2015, 01:38 PM (3,327 Views)
Piano*Dad
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He's a neocon Trotskyist--but I trust him.


Oh, that one makes my head hurt.
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John D'Oh
Nov 15 2015, 03:20 PM
Well, if you don't trust this conspiracy, how about Trump's assertion that French gun control laws contributed to the tragedy?
Well, the current French state of emergency does allow the government to seize weapons, even legally owned ones. :whome:
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TomK
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Piano*Dad
Nov 15 2015, 03:25 PM
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He's a neocon Trotskyist--but I trust him.


Oh, that one makes my head hurt.
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Piano*Dad
Nov 15 2015, 03:25 PM
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He's a neocon Trotskyist--but I trust him.


Oh, that one makes my head hurt.
Lol.
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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Yeah fine, whatever. Nobody gives a f*** until it affects them. This is humanity, this is history. ISIS is apparently a thing now. Because they convinced some young dudes to pull the trigger at a bunch of other people's heads.

This is what I know: we are not getting off this planet.
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I don't think prayer is the answer, and I don't think one's "status update" is worth any serious discussion.
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Copper
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First it says don't pray for Paris, then it says pray for Paris.

It's kind of an ambiguous direction.
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Yeah it almost made sense.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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The Beirut bombings were widely covered in the press. Emotional arguments that start from very distorted "facts" don't much impress me.
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I am growing weary of these maudlin fellow traveller memes as well. In fact when I first heard about the Paris attacks over the radio I thought they were reporting about the previous day's Beirut attack.

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I don't buy this "why only Europe gets attention" when there is violence everywhere. The reason the western world reacts to Paris is because most of the global reaction is from centers of populations with European background. Meaning Europe and north and South America. They can identify on a personal level. I don't expect a moment of silence in Beijing or Singapore.
What is upsetting that we don't see an outpouring of grief for Beirut in the Arab world. Or the African world wailing in pain for Nigerian atrocities. If those societies can't identify with their own horrific losses, why should anyone expect Europe or the Americas to do so. And besides, in the end I think we Anglo/Europeans do cry more for Beirut and Africa than their own people. And maybe therein lies the difference.
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What is upsetting that we don't see an outpouring of grief for Beirut in the Arab world. Or the African world wailing in pain for Nigerian atrocities. If those societies can't identify with their own horrific losses, why should anyone expect Europe or the Americas to do so. And besides, in the end I think we Anglo/Europeans do cry more for Beirut and Africa than their own people.


That's it, in a nutshell. And it goes along with the zero refugee stance of much of the Arabian peninsula, from where Wahabi triumphalism emerged.

And I think the people who wail that no one pays attention to atrocities in places like Beirut probably don't read The Daily Star or the Times of Israel, or even Al-Jazeerah, papers that actually cover the middle east in depth. But heck, the BBC has very thorough coverage of the middle east. So do most major "western" outlets.

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Nov 16 2015, 04:30 AM
And besides, in the end I think we Anglo/Europeans do cry more for Beirut and Africa than their own people. And maybe therein lies the difference.
Different cultures have different ideas of what is important in life. It goes almost unnoticed in places like Iraq that Shia are murdering Sunni and Sunni are murdering Shia. That's what all those mosque bombing are all about--and it's completely reasonable to large numbers of people to kill someone for having a "wrong" idea of how the legitimate heir or the Profit is. The reason ISIS is so brutal in killing Iraqis and Syrians they capture is because of religious differences, because people that disrespect the will of Allah (and that's you and me, too) shouldn't be allowed to live.

On their side--the West went through the 30 Years War with Protestant and Catholics fighting each other and we certainly did enough harm to Jews living in Europe to understand how easy all this could be. But the West went through an "age of reason," Islam did not. It's going to be a while before these people understand what we understand.
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The Dow doesn't seem to be too worried about the events in Paris.

I guess we can put the whole thing behind us now and get on with electing Ms. Clinton.

The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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Nov 14 2015, 05:13 PM
One of the comments after that article was posted included this bit:

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It seems to me that Charles Pierce rather underestimates the complexities of dealing with the House of Saud, and of Middle-East diplomacy in general. I would really not want to try anything that simplistic or self-righteous. Do that, and the US will quickly see how much it depended on its former friends for small but crucial bits of help it suddenly doesn’t get anymore. What he proposes might be morally satisfying, but it could leave the US dead in the water diplomatically, and with fast-diminishing leverage.


That may well be true - I don't know.

But it seems Mr. Pierce is on the right track.
Stumbled upon this 2014 article "You Can't Understand ISIS If You Don't Know the History of Wahhabism in Saudi Arabia" and thought this post.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alastair-crooke/isis-wahhabism-saudi-arabia_b_5717157.html
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Inside the nightclub - after the carnage:

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http://no-pasaran.blogspot.com/2015/11/the-paris-attacks-are-work-of-islam.html
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"You Can't Understand ISIS If You Don't Know the History of Wahhabism in Saudi Arabia"


What's to understand?
"How awful a knowledge of the truth can be." -- Sophocles, Oedipus Rex
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TomK
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Nov 17 2015, 05:45 AM
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"You Can't Understand ISIS If You Don't Know the History of Wahhabism in Saudi Arabia"


What's to understand?
It's a great article because unlike what President Hollande said yesterday this is a clash of civilizations. These Muslims are living on a completely different level of understanding on what reality looks like than we have.
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Yes, I was thinking that when these refugees start arriving it will be a lot like the Beverly Hillbillies.

Without the black gold, Texas tea.
The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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George K
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Talking with my (former) partners at work yesterday. Someone said that these guys were really sophisticated, in their planning, etc.

One guy disagreed: "OK, the four of us in this room are going to stage a similar attack. All we need is access to weapons (not that difficult) or bomb-making materials, a map for locations and some semi-accurate wristwatches so each guy can do it at the same time. That's not sophisticated - it's simple planning."
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George K
Nov 17 2015, 10:46 AM
One guy disagreed: "OK, the four of us in this room are going to stage a similar attack. All we need is access to weapons (not that difficult) or bomb-making materials, a map for locations and some semi-accurate wristwatches so each guy can do it at the same time. That's not sophisticated - it's simple planning."
I agree with that.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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Nov 17 2015, 06:30 AM
Catseye
Nov 17 2015, 05:45 AM
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"You Can't Understand ISIS If You Don't Know the History of Wahhabism in Saudi Arabia"


What's to understand?
It's a great article because unlike what President Hollande said yesterday this is a clash of civilizations. These Muslims are living on a completely different level of understanding on what reality looks like than we have.


That isn't what I meant.
"How awful a knowledge of the truth can be." -- Sophocles, Oedipus Rex
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Nov 17 2015, 11:13 AM
That isn't what I meant.
I know what you meant, and concur.
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