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Shootings in Paris
Topic Started: Nov 13 2015, 01:38 PM (3,328 Views)
Horace
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jon-nyc
Nov 14 2015, 05:15 AM
Horace
Nov 13 2015, 08:58 PM
Mikhailoh
Nov 13 2015, 05:00 PM
jon-nyc
Nov 13 2015, 01:59 PM
Crazy. Rachel's headed there Sunday for a shoot.
Dont count on it.
Got a mass company email this evening at 6 cautioning all employees to cancel business travel to France until further notice.
I doubt her trip will be canceled. It's a Paris-based client after all. It's not like they'll take the week off. Besides, big commercial shoots have a lot of momentum behind them. You book studios, models, stylists, photographers, etc well in advance. You can't just shift the lot of them one week.
You're diminishing the expense of canceling stuff on a business scale, but yeah I get it. She'll be fine.
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Nov 14 2015, 08:56 AM
Never underestimate your opponent. I know if I was ISIS, I'd be smuggling oodles of sleepers in with the refugees....
who's to say sleepers don't exist here (US) as well.
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Gotta love Iowahawk:

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Piers Morgan:

These murderers aren't refugees. Nor are they real Muslims. They're terrorists who've hijacked a religion for nefarious gain.

David Burge:

ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi has a PhD in Islamic theology from Islamic U of Baghdad. What are your credentials?
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3 Arrests in Belgium
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Police in Belgium made three arrests Saturday in connection with Friday's bloody terror assaults in Paris that killed at least 129 people, officials said.

Belgium Justice Minister Koen Geens told the VRT network that the arrests came after a car with Belgian license plates was seen Friday night close to the Bataclan concert hall, scene of the deadliest assault where at least 89 people were massacred by attackers armed with AK-47s and explosives.

Geens said the car was a rental and the arrests stemmed from police raids conducted in the St. Jans Molenbeek neighborhood in Brussels.

Earlier Saturday, French media reported that a suspicious black car with Belgian places was seen near the Bataclan, Sky News reported.

Paris prosecutor Francois Molins told a news conference Saturday evening in Paris that the seven attackers who blew themselves up wore identical explosives vests.

“We can say at this stage of the investigation there was probably three coordinated teams of terrorists behind this barbaric act," Molins said, according to Reuters.

The swift arrests in Belgium came as France’s president Francois Hollande vowed to punish ISIS for the attacks and French anti-terror police hunted Saturday for potential accomplices to the attackers.

Authorities said eight terrorists participated in the coordinated attacks Friday at six sites around the capital. Police said they shot and killed one of them.

Police pursued numerous leads Saturday as they sought to identify the eight terrorists, determine if they were they only ones involved and track down anyone who may have provided assistance.

Two French police officers told the Associated Press Saturday that one of the suicide bombers was identified as a young Frenchman flagged in the past for links with Islamic extremist activity.
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Belgian licence plates. God But that's hard.

Do it though. I don't know.
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It seems that France has been at war with ISIS long before President Hollande declared it yesterday. France has been pretty active in it's bombing campaign for some time.

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France’s policy towards the war in Syria has been more forward than any other western country. It was early in calling for President Bashar al-Assad to step down, still insists he must go, and recently joined airstrikes inside Syria against the Islamic State – unlike the UK, which has not taken that step.

The Isis claim of responsibility for Friday’s Paris attacks referred directly to French aircraft “striking Muslims in the lands of the caliphate”.
Earlier this week, French warplanes attacked oil and gas installations in the Deir ez-Zor area, describing this as part of an effort to destroy Isis infrastructure and undermine its financial resources. President François Hollande also announced the deployment to the Gulf of France’s only aircraft carrier, the Charles de Gaulle, to support operations against Isis in Syria and Iraq. French warplanes struck their first targets in Syria in late September.


On 8 October, France attacked an Isis training camp in Raqqa, capital of the group’s self-proclaimed caliphate in north-eastern Syria. It was believed to house foreign fighters, including French nationals, but Hollande denied they were targeting a specific individual.

President Hollande calls Paris attacks an ‘act of war’

Le Monde reported that the target was Benghalem Salim, 35, responsible for the reception of French and francophones into Isis. Hollande repeated that about 600 French nationals were currently fighting in Syria and Iraq.

In all, France has carried out about 1,300 sorties in Iraq, with 271 airstrikes destroying more than 450 terrorist targets. Only a few strikes have been carried out in Syria. It is using six Rafale multi-role fighter jets stationed in the United Arab Emirates and six Mirage 2000 fighters deployed in Jordan.

France was the first country to join the US-led coalition in Iraq and has provided logistical support to anti-Assad Syrian rebels it considers moderate, including Kurdish fighters.

In many ways its policy is similar to Britain’s, but France has pushed diplomatically for stronger measures, including a recent proposal for a UN resolution designed to protect civilians from the barrel bombs used by Syrian government forces.


The Guardian


Edited by TomK, Nov 14 2015, 04:05 PM.
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Charles F. Pierce at Esquire has laid out the most coherent plan to fight Daesh I have seen yet.

There is only one way to defeat ISIS

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These are a few things that will not solve the terrible and tangled web of causation and violence in which the attacks of Friday night were spawned. A 242-ship Navy will not stop one motivated murderous fanatic from emptying the clip of an AK-47 into the windows of a crowded restaurant. The F-35 fighter plane will not stop a group of motivated murderous fanatics from detonating bombs at a soccer match. A missile-defense shield in Poland will not stop a platoon of motivated murderous fanatics from opening up in a jammed concert hall, or taking hostages, or taking themselves out with suicide belts when the police break down the doors. American soldiers dying in the sands of Syria or Iraq will not stop the events like what happened in Paris from happening again because American soldiers dying in the sands of Syria or Iraq will be dying there in combat against only the most obvious physical manifestation of a deeper complex of ancient causes and ancient effects made worse by the reach of the modern technology of bloodshed and murder. Nobody's death is ever sacrifice enough for that.


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It's not like this is any kind of secret. In 2010, thanks to WikiLeaks, we learned that the State Department, under the direction of then-Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, knew full well where the money for foreign terrorism came from. It came from countries and not from a faith. It came from sovereign states and not from an organized religion. It came from politicians and dictators, not from clerics, at least not directly. It was paid to maintain a political and social order, not to promulgate a religious revival or to launch a religious war. Religion was the fuel, the ammonium nitrate and the diesel fuel. Authoritarian oligarchy built the bomb. As long as people are dying in Paris, nobody important is dying in Doha or Riyadh.


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It's time for this to stop. It's time to be pitiless against the bankers and against the people who invest in murder to assure their own survival in power. Assets from these states should be frozen, all over the west. Money trails should be followed, wherever they lead. People should go to jail, in every country in the world. It should be done state-to-state. Stop funding the murder of our citizens and you can have your money back. Maybe. If we're satisfied that you'll stop doing it. And, it goes without saying, but we'll say it anyway – not another bullet will be sold to you, let alone advanced warplanes, until this act gets cleaned up to our satisfaction. If that endangers your political position back home, that's your problem, not ours. You are no longer trusted allies. Complain, and your diplomats will be going home. Complain more loudly, and your diplomats will be investigated and, if necessary, detained. Retaliate, and you do not want to know what will happen, but it will done with cold, reasoned and, yes, pitiless calculation. It will not be a blind punch. You will not see it coming. It will not be an attack on your faith. It will be an attack on how you conduct your business as sovereign states in a world full of sovereign states.


Bold mine. Random bombing is not going to get it done.
Edited by Steve Miller, Nov 14 2015, 04:59 PM.
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One of the comments after that article was posted included this bit:

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It seems to me that Charles Pierce rather underestimates the complexities of dealing with the House of Saud, and of Middle-East diplomacy in general. I would really not want to try anything that simplistic or self-righteous. Do that, and the US will quickly see how much it depended on its former friends for small but crucial bits of help it suddenly doesn’t get anymore. What he proposes might be morally satisfying, but it could leave the US dead in the water diplomatically, and with fast-diminishing leverage.


That may well be true - I don't know.

But it seems Mr. Pierce is on the right track.
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Steve Miller
Nov 14 2015, 05:13 PM
One of the comments after that article was posted included this bit:

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It seems to me that Charles Pierce rather underestimates the complexities of dealing with the House of Saud, and of Middle-East diplomacy in general. I would really not want to try anything that simplistic or self-righteous. Do that, and the US will quickly see how much it depended on its former friends for small but crucial bits of help it suddenly doesn’t get anymore. What he proposes might be morally satisfying, but it could leave the US dead in the water diplomatically, and with fast-diminishing leverage.

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After all the hysteria about the House of Saud that I read from 2000 through 2008, the comment might be spot on. There are complexities that we are unaware of or ignore. There are, probably, wheels within wheels:

http://www.amazon.com/Americas-Secret-War-Worldwide-Struggle/dp/0767917855
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Compare it to taking over this country without the help of the Chicago neighborhood organizers.

It's not obvious to someone on the outside.

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Jolly
Nov 14 2015, 08:56 AM
Never underestimate your opponent. I know if I was ISIS, I'd be smuggling oodles of sleepers in with the refugees....
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/15/world/paris-attacks/index.html
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At least one of the terrorists who attacked civilians in Paris on Friday entered the European Union hidden among the wave of refugees arriving on European shores.

One of three bombers who detonated himself at the Stade de France late Friday arrived on the Greek island of Leros on October 3 among numerous Syrian refugees, CNN's Christiane Amanpour reported, citing an unnamed French senator who was briefed by the Ministry of the Interior.

The man declared himself to be Syrian, said his name was Ahmad al Mohammad and was, under new procedures set up to help refugees, issued a new emergency passport.

From Leros, he traveled to Macedonia, Serbia and then Croatia, Amanpour reported.

The fingerprints from the bomber at the Stade de France match those taken when the man was issued his emergency passport on Leros.

The two others who detonated themselves at the stadium carried false Turkish passports, Amanpour reported.

It appears that the Islamic extremist group ISIS is making good on its pledge to hide operatives among the tide of legitimate refugees now entering Europe.

European officials believe, Amanpour said, that there is "a very professional new squad of terrorists inserting themselves into some of these migrant voyages."
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Nov 14 2015, 05:13 PM
One of the comments after that article was posted included this bit:

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It seems to me that Charles Pierce rather underestimates the complexities of dealing with the House of Saud, and of Middle-East diplomacy in general. I would really not want to try anything that simplistic or self-righteous. Do that, and the US will quickly see how much it depended on its former friends for small but crucial bits of help it suddenly doesn’t get anymore. What he proposes might be morally satisfying, but it could leave the US dead in the water diplomatically, and with fast-diminishing leverage.


That may well be true - I don't know.

But it seems Mr. Pierce is on the right track.
That comment contained more wisdom and logic than the much longer article it criticized.
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At some point when you have a group of people trying to kill you the wisest thing is to stop them.
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Steve Miller
Nov 14 2015, 05:13 PM
One of the comments after that article was posted included this bit:

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It seems to me that Charles Pierce rather underestimates the complexities of dealing with the House of Saud, and of Middle-East diplomacy in general. I would really not want to try anything that simplistic or self-righteous. Do that, and the US will quickly see how much it depended on its former friends for small but crucial bits of help it suddenly doesn’t get anymore. What he proposes might be morally satisfying, but it could leave the US dead in the water diplomatically, and with fast-diminishing leverage.


That may well be true - I don't know.

But it seems Mr. Pierce is on the right track.
That comment contained more wisdom and logic than the much longer article it criticized.
It did indeed. We live in the world we have, not the one we think should be.
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Yes. But I do think that we should completely reappraise how we do business in the middle east. It seems clear that the House of Saud keeps domestic peace by allowing Wahabi clerics to rule the roost at home and by subsidizing the spread of the most intolerant form of Islam. They are also a House that is hypocritical in the extreme. Their hypocrisy is one reason the regime legitimately fears delegitimization. They have handed the keys to the mosque to the groups that ultimately have a moral and religious duty to destroy the regime. Why should we remain in bed with a group of 2000 or so princes who have chosen to ride the tiger? We should be using our leverage to weaken the intimate links between the political leadership and the Wahabi nightmares who exert real control over society. But this author recommends a sledgehammer approach that will surely break everything in short order.
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An op-ed in the official PA daily announced that the Israeli secret intelligence service, the Mossad, is behind the attacks in Paris. The writer stated that it is not a coincidence that “blood is spilled in Paris” at the same time as Europe has decided to label Israeli products made in “settlements.” He stated that Israel is the one benefiting from these attacks and that they serve the “goals” of Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu, who “hides in his soul enough evil to burn the world”:

“It is not a coincidence that human blood was exploded in Paris at the same time that certain European sanctions are beginning to be implemented against settlement products, and while France leads Europe in advising the security council that will implement the two-state solution, Palestine and Israel - which the Israelis see as a warning of sudden danger coming from the direction of Europe, where the Zionist, occupying, settling endeavor was born...
The wise and correct thing is to look for who benefits. In short: They need to search the last place reached by the octopus arms of the Mossad... It is clear that its ‘Mossad’ will burn Beirut and Paris in order to achieve [Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin] Netanyahu’s goals. He, who challenged the master of the White House, hides in his soul enough evil to burn the world.”
[Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, Nov. 15, 2015]


Glad to know who did it.
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The Disinformation Superhighway.
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Now, see, don't you regret having banned Cosmored?
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No. And I'd be quiet about that if I were you...people might get ideas. :lol2:
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Nov 15 2015, 09:39 AM
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An op-ed in the official PA daily announced that the Israeli secret intelligence service, the Mossad, is behind the attacks in Paris. The writer stated that it is not a coincidence that “blood is spilled in Paris” at the same time as Europe has decided to label Israeli products made in “settlements.” He stated that Israel is the one benefiting from these attacks and that they serve the “goals” of Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu, who “hides in his soul enough evil to burn the world”:

“It is not a coincidence that human blood was exploded in Paris at the same time that certain European sanctions are beginning to be implemented against settlement products, and while France leads Europe in advising the security council that will implement the two-state solution, Palestine and Israel - which the Israelis see as a warning of sudden danger coming from the direction of Europe, where the Zionist, occupying, settling endeavor was born...
The wise and correct thing is to look for who benefits. In short: They need to search the last place reached by the octopus arms of the Mossad... It is clear that its ‘Mossad’ will burn Beirut and Paris in order to achieve [Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin] Netanyahu’s goals. He, who challenged the master of the White House, hides in his soul enough evil to burn the world.”
[Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, Nov. 15, 2015]


Glad to know who did it.
The conspiracy theory as a generic way of dealing with any issue is endemic in Arab societies. It's not the thinking of fringe elements as we see in the west, but pervades mainstream Arab culture, probably as a coping mechanism to avoid facing some blaring ugly truths about the utter failure of the society to rise out of their misery.
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There are a lot of parallels in mechanics to the plight of blacks in America. There are a lot of influential people, mostly religious leaders, selling victimhood over personal responsibility.
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The trouble as idiotic as that "news" is to us, there are a lot of people in the middle east and even here that are going to believe it.
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TomK
Nov 15 2015, 12:05 PM
The trouble as idiotic as that "news" is to us, there are a lot of people in the middle east and even here that are going to believe it.

Well, if you can't trust P*D who can you trust?
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Nov 15 2015, 02:06 PM
TomK
Nov 15 2015, 12:05 PM
The trouble as idiotic as that "news" is to us, there are a lot of people in the middle east and even here that are going to believe it.

Well, if you can't trust P*D who can you trust?
He's a neocon Trotskyist--but I trust him.
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Well, if you don't trust this conspiracy, how about Trump's assertion that French gun control laws contributed to the tragedy?
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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