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Topic Started: Jul 31 2015, 02:13 PM (677 Views)
JBryan
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I read that same story but it did not mention the sunbathing daughter. Who is to say how high up this thing was? The only witness is the guy who shot it and he claims he used number 8 bird shot. It would be fairly easy to esablished what exactly brought the thing down but any responsible gun owner would never discharge a rifle into the air within a couple of miles of any inhabited area. Prosecution for that would definitely follow.

The story I read also stated that the guy wiaited on his front porch with a 10 mm strapped to his leg. He said four angry guys showed up in front of his house and one of them asked if he was the SOB that shot his drone down. The guy said yes and if you cross that sidewalk onto my property there will be another shooting. The guys got back in their car. I kind of like this guy.

Oh, and as far as legal limitations on drones they should not be allowwed near enough to someone's property to easily observe what would otherwise be concealed from casual view. IOW, go to a big farking park to [play with your drone.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

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sue
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JBryan
Aug 1 2015, 06:53 AM
IOW, go to a big farking park to [play with your drone.
Yep. except other people go to parks to chill, get away from the noise of every day life. So maybe we need special drone parks, where for a fee, you can play with your toy and the rest of the world doesn't have to see, or hear it. Old landfills, places like that.
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JBryan
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There is a park here that is designated for RC devices like this. It is also free.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

From The Lion in Winter.
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sue
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JBryan
Aug 1 2015, 07:30 AM
There is a park here that is designated for RC devices like this. It is also free.
really, wow. so it is that popular already, eh.
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Luke's Dad
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Aug 1 2015, 07:31 AM
JBryan
Aug 1 2015, 07:30 AM
There is a park here that is designated for RC devices like this. It is also free.
really, wow. so it is that popular already, eh.
No, it's already that annoying to some people.

Sorry, but part of being a responsible gun owner is being a reasonable person and I don't believe that grabbing a gun and blowing the durned thing out of the air is a reasonable reaction. At the very least, document it. Get a camera and get a couple of pictures. Follow the thing back to where it's coming from, call the police and report the dam thing. All are reasonable responses that a reasonable person would make. A responsible gun owner doesn't fire off their weapon unless they are on a practice range, hunting, or are in a situation where they are directly threatened. I'm sorry, but this guy is a jackass. The kind of jackass that winds up killing a kid that's taking a shortcut by cutting across his lawn. I'll guarantee you the guy has a frigging "This House is Protected by Smith and Wesson" sign on his property.

I would also be willing to bet $20 that the following conversation happened:

"There's that frigging drone again, damn, that's annoying."

"Bet I could take it out with my ________"

"No way..."

Blam

"Holy ____, ha ha, I can't believe you did it!"
The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it.
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Jul 31 2015, 03:51 PM
Axtremus
Jul 31 2015, 03:50 PM
George K
Jul 31 2015, 03:47 PM
Axtremus
Jul 31 2015, 03:44 PM
32.7 meters.
Source?
My arse.
And it came out that big?!

Been to Norway lately??
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JBryan
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Couldn't disagree with you more Ls D. Of course, if I agreed to all the cock-eyed assumptions you made about the guy I might. But I don't.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

From The Lion in Winter.
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Luke's Dad
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So if you did you see a drone hovering in your backyard, you believe that shooting it down is a more reasonable recourse than:

Documenting it
Contacting the Police
Tracking it to the point of origin

As to what the drone was doing and where it was at, we only have the shooters word vs. the drone pilot's word. No other evidence...Except the video that the pilot provided supporting his case. If the drone was really hovering in all of the neighborhood yards 10 feet up, somebody would have taken a picture of it.

The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it.
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Jolly
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This thing was shot down with a shotgun. It's hard to hit a moving target with a rifle, and unless they guy was really good, would have required multiple shots, most likely with a .22LR.

So, if it was shot down with a shotgun, it's gonna be relatively easy to ascertain pellet size. If the guy used #8's, as claimed, I don't think a 12 gauge low-brass would be very effective beyond 120 feet. My house routinely gets rained with #4 and #6 during squirrel season...The shot is not big enough or heavy enough to do any more than make some noise bouncing off the roof.

I'd a torched the thing with a turkey load using a compressed choke and some nickel-plated #5's. At 250 feet, you could have picked up what was left, with a dust pan and a broom.
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This drone was probably an RC helicopter. It probably wouldn't take much to destabilize it and make it fall out of the sky. It's not like the shot would have to pierce metal, just hitting the props at all would probably be sufficient.
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Mikhailoh
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You figure it was Mark? Say...where was this, anyway?
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Mark
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:lol2:

Here's my latest 500 class at the field. No cameras on these birds. Just a whole lot of power.

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Side by side with the 700 class on the bench.

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Luke's Dad
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I was bitten by a radiactive redneck as a teenager which gave me the proportionate abilities of a hillbilly. One of these abilities is to recognize when some dumbass is pulling shenanigans. This is one.

It doesn't matter what he shot it with (although, if the thing was low enough for him to get with a shotgun, the damn thing would have been shredded and fell where it was, not over a 1/4 mile away in the woods). The question is whether or not he was right to discharge a firearm. In this case he wasn't. There was no immediate and clear danger to him, his family, or his property. There were multiple more reasonable and ultimately more effective steps he could have taken. He has not been able to offer any proof to his allegations of impropriety by the drone pilot while the pilot has been able to provide evidence to the contrary, and the whole story would never have gone anywhere if it wasn't for the salacious comment about his daughter liking to lay out.

He, his family, and all the neighbors see a drone hovering ten feet over their property and nobody takes a picture? Bull****.

The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it.
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John Galt
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Jul 31 2015, 03:44 PM
Yes. 32.7 meters. Yes.
You're actually not that far off.

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The precise height of the drone may determine whether Merideth was justified in opening fire on the Phantom 3. The best case law on the issue dates back to 1946, long before drones were even technically feasible.

That year, the Supreme Court decided in a case known as United States v. Causby that that a farmer in North Carolina could assert property rights up to 83 feet in the air. In that case, American military aircraft were flying above his farm, disturbing his sleep and his chickens. As such, the court found he was owed compensation.

However, the same decision also specifically mentioned a "minimum safe altitude of flight" at 500 feet - leaving the zone between 83 feet and 500 feet as a legal grey area.


And the guy whose drone was shot down has flight info, including altitudes (I think the drone was more than 200 feet above the ground when it went over the guy's house). See video:

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/08/new-drone-telemetry-suggests-shot-down-drone-was-higher-than-alleged/

"Drone slayer". :lol2:
Edited by John Galt, Aug 1 2015, 03:06 PM.
Let us begin anew, remembering on both sides that civility is not a sign of weakness.
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JBryan
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So, you say he should have "tracked" this thing like it was a simple thing to do. Good luck with that. Once out of line of sight you would have no way of knowing where it went or who owned it or where it came from. Also, good luck with getting the police to take any interest in this thing hovering over your backyard. They aren't exactly going to throw all their resources into it. You would be lucky if a patrol car showed up and wrote a report. I do have to say I am impressed at your ability to spot a trigger happy redneck with what has been provided so far. I think we can just say we disagree about this and leave it at that. I have always held you in fairly high regard as far as being a reasonable person but this particular issue seems to have some personal aspects for you that affect your reason. I can honestly say that I might possibly react the same way he did under similar circumstances and not feel the least bit unreasonable about it.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

From The Lion in Winter.
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Mikhailoh
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I cannot imagine he decided to shoot if the thing was just whizzing past now and then. I suspect he had an idea who it was and why they were hovering over his property.
Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball
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Axtremus
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HOLY CARP!!!
Just curious ... has the NRA taken a position on this drone-shooting business yet?
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How to shoot down a drone

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