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Probably complaining to the wrong crowd here...
Topic Started: Jul 17 2015, 07:04 AM (417 Views)
Aqua Letifer
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ZOOOOOM!
...but I have a problem with older people. :lol:

No, not really. Just some older people. As I've more or less alluded to previously, we're expanding here at work. We have some new folks with still more interviews to go through.

My office is closest to the door. I can immediately tell if I'm going to have a problem with an older applicant based on their first 2 seconds in the office.

If they see me and decide to ask me where my boss's office is—he's the one who ran the ad, so that's the name they ask for—I know we're going to be good. No problems at least on the age front. If they look at me, make an assessment, and then turn away, I know we're going to have a ****ing problem. They think I can't help them when really, if they get the job, I'd be their boss.

We've had four older folks come in so far for interviews. Two couldn't give a crap how old I was and it's worked out fine. The other two utterly failed to understand the dynamics here. They kept wanting to talk to my boss, who's closer to their age (50-60), and kept blowing me off. But my boss wants little to do with the whole process; I have to be in charge of these folks because they're doing work that gets fed directly into my part.

For the problem people, we then move on to step 2, which is the meta conversation. I really hate this part. I tell people right off the bat, look, we have people coming in who don't have much direct experience with certain aspects of this job, others with a lot. It's my job to explain it all fully, though, so if you already got it down, tell me to skip it and we'll move on. (We have how-tos in case they need help later.) But even so, their questions and responses to the run-through I give them turn into opportunities for them to show me that they know better than me. It's annoying.

What I do then I politely put up with it, and as soon as they turn in their first batch of work I tear into it. I'm still nice, but if you wanna play the game, assholes, let's play the game. Just because you're 50 doesn't mean that I'm 19, and I could literally write a book on this ****. (I've done so, matter of fact, for my own reference. It's on my shelf at home. Current version is ~260 pages.)

From that point, either they respect my position or they double down on the animosity and eventually stop working. I'm good friends with another guy who tried to pull rank on me when I started, so I like to think I don't hold grudges. But it's all so completely unnecessary.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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JBryan
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Well, just get the fvck off my lawn!
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

From The Lion in Winter.
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Aqua Letifer
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JBryan, I must also insist that you and your assembly exercise a change of venue.

... ***********.
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jon-nyc
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cut them a little slack, like they want to work for a fvckin hipster.
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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jon-nyc
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Maybe take off the fedora when they walk in.
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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Aqua Letifer
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I don't even have any tats, jackass. :lol:
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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John D'Oh
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MAMIL
Stop being such a whiny adolescent.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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Renauda
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AL, That you don't have any tatoos is a good thing. Old judgmental bastards like me wouldn't take you seriously if you displayed your personal vanity in the vulgar format of permanent body art.
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JBryan
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Especially if you tattoo "fvck you" across your forehead which may be, in a sense, what you are already doing.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

From The Lion in Winter.
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Red Rice
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AL's motivational speech to the older guys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4PE2hSqVnk

Civilisation, I vaguely realized then - and subsequent observation has confirmed the view - could not progress that way. It must have a greater guiding principle to survive. To treat it as a carcase off which each man tears as much as he can for himself, is to stand convicted a brute, fit for nothing better than a jungle existence, which is a death-struggle, leading nowhither. I did not believe that was the human destiny, for Man individually was sane and reasonable, only collectively a fool.

I hope the gunner of that Hun two-seater shot him clean, bullet to heart, and that his plane, on fire, fell like a meteor through the sky he loved. Since he had to end, I hope he ended so. But, oh, the waste! The loss!

- Cecil Lewis
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sue
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HOLY CARP!!!
put a big sign on your desk (large font, so the oldies can see it) saying, "I WILL BE YOUR BOSS"
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Axtremus
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sue
Jul 17 2015, 07:47 AM
put a big sign on your desk (large font, so the oldies can see it) saying, "I WILL BE YOUR BOSS"
Or, closer to the language of Aqua's generation: "YOU WILL BE MY BIOTCH"
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Aqua Letifer
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Red Rice
Jul 17 2015, 07:45 AM
AL's motivational speech to the older guys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4PE2hSqVnk

:lol:

What I love about marketing & sales guys who quote Glengarry and Wall Street like Baptists do the Bible is that Mamet's play and Stone's movie were about how that mentality will be your downfall. They're so shallow that they don't even understand the things they idolize.

That's a lot of marketers for you.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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Horace
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Aqua Letifer
Jul 17 2015, 07:04 AM
...but I have a problem with older people. :lol:

No, not really. Just some older people. As I've more or less eluded to previously
I'm sorry but I didn't get past this. Maybe alluded? Dude, who are you?
As a good person, I implore you to do as I, a good person, do. Be good. Do NOT be bad. If you see bad, end bad. End it in yourself, and end it in others. By any means necessary, the good must conquer the bad. Good people know this. Do you know this? Are you good?
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Aqua Letifer
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Mother fuck. I'm getting rid of the smart keyboard bullshit right the hell now. I'm guessing I mistyped.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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Larry
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
The guy in the video sounds like a Kawai factory sales rep I used to know...

who couldn't sell a piano himself if his life depended on it...
Of the Pokatwat Tribe

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Aqua Letifer
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Most of the guys in the clip were about as bad, but the deck was stacked against them.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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kluurs
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Horace
Jul 17 2015, 08:58 AM
Aqua Letifer
Jul 17 2015, 07:04 AM
...but I have a problem with older people. :lol:

No, not really. Just some older people. As I've more or less eluded to previously
I'm sorry but I didn't get past this. Maybe alluded? Dude, who are you?
Damn, that's one of the first signs of old age - knows the right word, uses the wrong one. The brain's starting to slip. Pretty soon, he'll be asking for advise... :hair:
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Aqua Letifer
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The final phase of course will be thinking the young kid who's my boss doesn't know anything. :lol:
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Horace
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I kinda wish we actually knew what you did.
As a good person, I implore you to do as I, a good person, do. Be good. Do NOT be bad. If you see bad, end bad. End it in yourself, and end it in others. By any means necessary, the good must conquer the bad. Good people know this. Do you know this? Are you good?
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Aqua Letifer
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Horace
Jul 17 2015, 09:53 AM
I kinda wish we actually knew what you did.
I'm a steam manifold for a Subaru plant just outside of D.C. Prior to that I was an appliance evangelist and moonlighted as a man of the evening for many of your mothers.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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brenda
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..............
Horace
Jul 17 2015, 08:58 AM
Aqua Letifer
Jul 17 2015, 07:04 AM
...but I have a problem with older people. :lol:

No, not really. Just some older people. As I've more or less eluded to previously
I'm sorry but I didn't get past this. Maybe alluded? Dude, who are you?
:lol2: :lol2: :lol2:
“Weeds are flowers, too, once you get to know them.”
~A.A. Milne
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Friday
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I really like you Aqua. You've made me laugh so many times.
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Mikhailoh
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
Yeah, you certainly picked the wrong day to post this.

Here's why.

Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball
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Aqua Letifer
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ZOOOOOM!
Dude... :(
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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