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| Scientists predict 'mini ice age' will hit in 15 years | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jul 13 2015, 06:19 PM (1,612 Views) | |
| Copper | Jul 13 2015, 06:19 PM Post #1 |
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Apparently some people think the sun has an influence on the climate. http://www.aol.com/article/2015/07/12/scientists-predict-mini-ice-age-will-hit-in-15-years/21208356/?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl7|sec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D-1115257387?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000058&
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| Larry | Jul 13 2015, 07:01 PM Post #2 |
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http://s10.zetaboards.com/The_New_Coffee_Room/topic/7542817/1/?x=20#new |
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| Moonbat | Jul 14 2015, 04:24 AM Post #3 |
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As far as our best understanding goes the current warming trend is not explained by variation in solar output alone. That doesn't mean, (nor has mainstream climatology ever claimed) that solar variance has no influence on the climate. The research in question does not predict a mini ice age. It predicts that solar activity will fall to the level that was last seen during the 1645-1715 mini ice age. That constitutes a very different claim. Why does that constitute a different claim? Well the information I'm about to provide isn't very widespread so bear with me. It might just blow your mind. In addition to the climate being influence by solar activity it turns out that there are these gaseous species in the atmosphere that alter how much solar radiation is reflected from the earth and how much gets absorbed and subsequently leads to changes in average temperature. Increases in the atmospheric concentration of these so called "greenhouse" gasses mean that the environment we have today is a very different one from the environment of 1645. In fact there was a paper in 2012 predicting that we would see a reduction of 0.13 degrees C were levels of solar radiation to fall to those seen in the previous mini ice age. This fall in temperature would be temporary as following the 15 year low solar activity would again begin to rise and even during this temporary period the 0.13 degrees C is not enough to off set the predicted increase in temperature due to rises in the concentration of the "greenhouse" gases. (Current predictions of a 1-3 degrees increase over the next 50 years vs. temporary 0.13 degree decrease over 15 years). This was explicitly stated by one of the authors of the aforementioned paper quoted in a phys.org article as saying:
And reiterated in a 2015 Nature paper:
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| Mikhailoh | Jul 14 2015, 05:07 AM Post #4 |
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Again, arguing true or not gets us nowhere, when I don't think anyone believes it is a good idea to go on increasing CO2 emissions. I'm actually looking at a solar array for my home. It is starting to be a good financial decision. When it consistently is will be the primary solution for emissions, provided we can manufacture enough durable cells and storage technology. Edited by Mikhailoh, Jul 14 2015, 05:08 AM.
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| John D'Oh | Jul 14 2015, 05:09 AM Post #5 |
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Well, with that kind of defeatist attitude we might as well close the sodding place down right now. My God, man, have you learnt NOTHING?????? |
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| George K | Jul 14 2015, 05:16 AM Post #6 |
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How long have you been in this fine country? Time to use the proper form of the past participle.
American Usage chart. British Usage Chart. The science is settled. |
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| Moonbat | Jul 14 2015, 05:44 AM Post #7 |
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Politically significant numbers of people in countries that produce large quantities of CO2 are opposed to measures to prevent further rises in CO2 because they think the short term reduction in economic growth matters more. They make this argument by claiming that anthropogenic mediated climate change is false. If all you think of CO2 is that it's plant food why would you support the fairly drastic changes needed to prevent the large predicted increases in global average temperatures occurring over the next 50 years? Maybe it doesn't matter because we've already lost - the political decision to block global action in the late 90s early 2000s mean the game is basically up. That seems to be the impression given by scientists at the recent climate symposium I went to. I guess fingers crossed that we're missing something really big that offsets a large portion of the predicted rise. Or maybe we say **** it we're going to all download into some matrix like computer existence over the next hundred years anyway and when we're there we'll take the biosphere with us. Digitised, the information it contains will be much more maintainable and robust to perturbations in the chemical composition of the Earth anyway |
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| John D'Oh | Jul 14 2015, 05:45 AM Post #8 |
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How interesting that whilst you were happy to generate some coloured graphs in order to categorise the difference between my mother tongue and a defence of your pidgin dialect, you didn't question my use of the word 'sodding'. |
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| Copper | Jul 14 2015, 05:53 AM Post #9 |
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Let's look at the positive side of large increases in global average temperatures. The assumption that it is all bad feeds the media monster but ignores reality. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| Moonbat | Jul 14 2015, 06:03 AM Post #10 |
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Perhaps there is truth to that. But some of the negatives look pretty bad - do you see many climate change positives for people living in Bangladesh? |
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| Copper | Jul 14 2015, 06:11 AM Post #11 |
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Sure, they will rise to the challenge, overcome the difficulties, take advantage of the positives and go on to dominate coping with heat in the 22nd century. They are humans they will evolve they have no other choice. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| jon-nyc | Jul 14 2015, 06:13 AM Post #12 |
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People don't evolve. They live to reproduce, or they don't. |
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| Larry | Jul 14 2015, 06:17 AM Post #13 |
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Good grief..... 1. CO2 levels have been many times higher in the past than it is now. 2. There has been no warming in at least a couple of decades. 3. There's a FREAKING ICE AGE coming. and you're still arguing that the planet is warming.... |
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| Larry | Jul 14 2015, 06:19 AM Post #14 |
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It's a religion. When in a thread whose topic is the fact that the most recent data shows there's an ice age coming, it gets turned around into another discussion of "man made global warming"..... it's a religion. |
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| Moonbat | Jul 14 2015, 06:27 AM Post #15 |
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According to wiki at present 50% of Bangladeshi children are currently malnurished and 30% of their total population are malnurished. Half the population is in poverty with a purchasing power of $1.25 per person a day. Climate change is predicted to bring a loss of 50% of their rainfed agriculture along with significant reductions in the food supply of neighbouring regions. It also predicts significant rises in water scarcity. (as per the previous link to the effects of climate change on Bangladesh) |
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| Moonbat | Jul 14 2015, 06:28 AM Post #16 |
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According to whom?
What data shows that? Did you read my first post in this thread? |
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| Larry | Jul 14 2015, 06:29 AM Post #17 |
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I like what the comedian Sam Kennison said regarding the starving people in Bangladesh.. "YOU LIVE IN A F*CKING DESERT!! MOVE TO WHERE THE FOOD IS!!!" |
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| Larry | Jul 14 2015, 06:32 AM Post #18 |
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According to the latest peer reviewed science. You were given a link to the information. |
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| Moonbat | Jul 14 2015, 06:38 AM Post #19 |
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Yes I read it and that's not what it says as I explained above with further links to several relevant papers. Do you notice that you like to quote science when you think it agrees with you (even if it requires misquoting it) but you like to ignore science when it disagrees with you? Do you think that's strange? |
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| Larry | Jul 14 2015, 06:41 AM Post #20 |
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Well yes, that IS what it says. |
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| Larry | Jul 14 2015, 06:42 AM Post #21 |
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Actually, that's exactly what you've done by pulling up older data in your attempt to dismiss the most recent data that proves your data wrong. |
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| Larry | Jul 14 2015, 06:47 AM Post #22 |
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"Royal Astronomical Society (RAS). "Solar activity predicted to fall 60% in 2030s, to 'mini ice age' levels" "A new model of the Sun's solar cycle is producing unprecedentedly accurate predictions of irregularities within the Sun's 11-year heartbeat. The model draws on dynamo effects in two layers of the Sun, one close to the surface and one deep within its convection zone. Predictions from the model suggest that solar activity will fall by 60 per cent during the 2030s to conditions last seen during the 'mini ice age' that began in 1645." |
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| Moonbat | Jul 14 2015, 06:49 AM Post #23 |
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It says is this:
http://www.ras.org.uk/news-and-press/2680-irregular-heartbeat-of-the-sun-driven-by-double-dynamo Valentina Zharkova has a model for change in solar activity. That model predicts that solar activity will fall to what it was during the last mini ice age. They are not predicting a mini ice age they are predicting that the solar activity will be what is was during the last mini ice age. Do you understand what I'm telling you? |
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| Larry | Jul 14 2015, 07:00 AM Post #24 |
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I understand that that's the only way you can interpret it without having your religion exposed for the fraud that it is, yes. But to anyone thinking rationally, every time there's been a Maunder Minimum there has been an ice age, it's fairly obvious that that's what will happen this time. |
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| Copper | Jul 14 2015, 07:02 AM Post #25 |
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The president evolved. |
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