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Who can vote? A poll.
Topic Started: May 31 2015, 04:29 PM (230 Views)
George K
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http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/may_2015/most_democrats_think_illegal_immigrants_should_vote
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The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that one-out-of-three Likely U.S. Voters (35%) now believes that illegal immigrants should be allowed to vote if they can prove they live in this country and pay taxes. Sixty percent (60%) disagree, while five percent (5%) are undecided. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

Fifty-three percent (53%) of Democrats think tax-paying illegal immigrants should have the right to vote. Twenty-one percent (21%) of Republicans and 30% of voters not affiliated with either major political party agree.

The U.S. Supreme Court has just agreed to hear a case challenging how Texas sets up state legislative districts. Texas currently counts everyone in the state, including illegal immigrants, before carving up districts of proportional population size, but the challenge argues that only eligible voters should be counted because the current system creates some districts with much larger numbers of eligible voters than others.

Sixty-six percent (66%) of voters agree with the legal challenge and say states should only count eligible voters when setting the size of legislative districts for voting purposes. Just 23% favor the current system in Texas that counts all residents including illegal immigrants. Eleven percent (11%) are not sure.
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Axtremus
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... illegal immigrants should be allowed to vote if they can prove they live in this country and pay taxes.
Ah, it looks like some people still share the founding fathers' bedrock believe about "no taxes without representation."
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George K
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Axtremus
May 31 2015, 04:34 PM
Ah, it looks like some people still share the founding fathers' bedrock believe about "no taxes without representation."
The Fourteenth Amendment (1886) disagrees:

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What, then, about the right to vote? The phrase appears for the first time in the Fourteenth Amendment, which says that states shall lose congressional representation "when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime."

Subsequent amendments have talked about "The citizens' right" to vote.

The Fifteenth Amendment states: "right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied"

The Nineteenth Amendment states: "The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex."

Citizens, not people.

What countries allow non-citizens to vote?
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John Galt
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Interesting question.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_foreigners_to_vote
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John D'Oh
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I was surprised to learn that certain non-citizens (i.e. from commonwealth countries) could vote in the UK. They draw the line at Americans for obvious reasons.

I don't really mind not being able to vote over here in the General elections, however I do rather miss being able to vote for my local town council, since our kids attend the schools, and the local policies affect us much more directly.
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Mikhailoh
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Go for citizenship. After ten years here we've pretty well beat the British out of you.
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George K
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Mikhailoh
May 31 2015, 07:08 PM
Go for citizenship. After ten years here we've pretty well beat the British out of you.
We have about 5 months left.
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So, my husband, who is a green card holder, can't vote. But some people think it's okay for illegal immigrants to vote?

WTF??
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Mikhailoh
May 31 2015, 07:08 PM
Go for citizenship. After ten years here we've pretty well beat the British out of you.
It's a trap John, don't do it.
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May 31 2015, 07:22 PM
So, my husband, who is a green card holder, can't vote. But some people think it's okay for illegal immigrants to vote?

WTF??
I am quite confident you'll find that those who think illegal immigrants should be able to vote would also think that legal permanent resident (i.e. "green card holder") like your husband should also be able to vote.
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John D'Oh
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So, I can give up my British and Canadian citizenships in order to be able to help choose between people like Barack Obama and Mitt Romney!

OK, there must be a downside to this deal somewhere - can somebody help me out?
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John D'Oh
May 31 2015, 08:25 PM
So, I can give up my British and Canadian citizenships in order to be able to help choose between people like Barack Obama and Mitt Romney!
No, your vote will be more meaningful at the local level ... think city council, school board, may be even the state assembly/senate.
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John D'Oh
May 31 2015, 08:25 PM
So, I can give up my British and Canadian citizenships in order to be able to help choose between people like Barack Obama and Mitt Romney!

OK, there must be a downside to this deal somewhere - can somebody help me out?
Indeed, you can move back to Canada or Britain at any time and still be legally obliged to file annual tax returns with the IRS regardless of residency. Upon review it might even demand that you pay US taxes. Taxation by citizenship: A rare privilege afforded only to citizens of two world nations, the USA and Eritrea.
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There's an effort to allow illegal aliens to vote in city council elections and mayoral elections. I'm against it, but not as strongly as I would be for national elections.

It's not as bad as it could be since the state has a good deal of control over city policies.
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May 31 2015, 10:51 PM
There's an effort to allow illegal aliens to vote in city council elections and mayoral elections. I'm against it, but not as strongly as I would be for national elections.

It's not as bad as it could be since the state has a good deal of control over city policies.
Why does nobody ever talk about legal non-citizen immigrants in this context? If you listen to the media you'd think all immigrants were illegal.

If you're going to start affording additional electoral rights to immigrants, it would make logical, if not political, sense to afford them to legal permanent residents first.
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John D'Oh
May 31 2015, 07:05 PM
I was surprised to learn that certain non-citizens (i.e. from commonwealth countries) could vote in the UK. They draw the line at Americans for obvious reasons.

I don't really mind not being able to vote over here in the General elections, however I do rather miss being able to vote for my local town council, since our kids attend the schools, and the local policies affect us much more directly.
Get elected to the town council, change the rules.

If anyone asks just show them your Hawaiian birth certificate.
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On the positive side, every year I get asked to do Jury duty, something I was never asked to do in either the UK or Canada. Presumably this is because there are a lot more criminal types over here. I can politely decline their kind offer based on my lack of Americanism. With my luck I'd end up re-trying Whitey Bulger or something, and have to go into a protection program.
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Jun 1 2015, 06:23 AM
On the positive side, every year I get asked to do Jury duty, something I was never asked to do in either the UK or Canada. Presumably this is because there are a lot more criminal types over here. I can politely decline their kind offer based on my lack of Americanism. With my luck I'd end up re-trying Whitey Bulger or something, and have to go into a protection program.
They made a movie about him, you know. Very scary.






They had a gimmick with cell phones that I found highly enjoyable.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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Jun 1 2015, 06:43 AM
John D'Oh
Jun 1 2015, 06:23 AM
On the positive side, every year I get asked to do Jury duty, something I was never asked to do in either the UK or Canada. Presumably this is because there are a lot more criminal types over here. I can politely decline their kind offer based on my lack of Americanism. With my luck I'd end up re-trying Whitey Bulger or something, and have to go into a protection program.
They made a movie about him, you know. Very scary.






They had a gimmick with cell phones that I found highly enjoyable.
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I hope they don't romanticize or glorify him - Hollywood frequently turn these scumbags into anti-heroes.
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Jun 1 2015, 08:08 AM
I hope they don't romanticize or glorify him - Hollywood frequently turn these scumbags into anti-heroes.
They did, pretty much.

And I was just being a doofus about the movie. It's not about Whitey Bulger at all, even though that's the hype they used to sell it. It was a complete and total knockoff of Infernal Affairs.
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Jun 1 2015, 08:32 AM
John D'Oh
Jun 1 2015, 08:08 AM
I hope they don't romanticize or glorify him - Hollywood frequently turn these scumbags into anti-heroes.
They did, pretty much.

And I was just being a doofus about the movie. It's not about Whitey Bulger at all, even though that's the hype they used to sell it. It was a complete and total knockoff of Infernal Affairs.
Perhaps you are referring to a different movie than I was. Black Mass is based on the book of the same title. I haven't read it, but it sounds interesting.
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