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Topic Started: May 27 2015, 06:54 PM (312 Views)
Jolly
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http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/243112-senate-republicans-call-for-over-the-counter-birth-control
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taiwan_girl
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I think it is a good idea and I agree with it.

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Groups like Planned Parenthood have opposed the idea, which they argue could drive up contraception prices.


I dont agree with this at all. It appears to me that drugs become cheaper when the are sold without a prescription.
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Luke's Dad
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Of course Planned Parenthood opposes it. Do you know how much money hey are given by the government to give it out free?
The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it.
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Jolly
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George and Bach can speak to the medical side of the argument (BCP's do have their side effects), but I see no reason why some of the safer pills cannot be marketed OTC.
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Axtremus
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I'm willing to listen to the professional medical community (e.g., doctors and pharmacists) if they think something is "safe enough" to be made available OTC. But morally, I have no objection to making oral contraceptives available OTC. Heck, I rather support it.

I hope Planned Parenthood has more detailed, more specific arguments on why they think making certain oral contraceptives available OTC will somehow increase the costs. From whatever little that is reported in that article, that argument is not making any sense to me.
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Jolly
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It's simple.

Planned Parenthood will lose money.
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jon-nyc
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That's not obvious. whats your reasoning, Jolly?
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jon-nyc
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Axtremus
May 28 2015, 09:23 PM
I'm willing to listen to the professional medical community (e.g., doctors and pharmacists) if they think something is "safe enough" to be made available OTC. But morally, I have no objection to making oral contraceptives available OTC. Heck, I rather support it.

I hope Planned Parenthood has more detailed, more specific arguments on why they think making certain oral contraceptives available OTC will somehow increase the costs. From whatever little that is reported in that article, that argument is not making any sense to me.
Presumably they mean the cost to the end user. Today it's covered in your health policy, so it's free to the end user. If it went OTC, the end user would pay the entire cost.


I am conceptually supportive (haha) but would want to know that it's safe enough to handle OTC. I remember a Dr adjusting an ex girlfriend's dosage and such. Not sure how that would work in an OTC world.
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Jolly
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May 29 2015, 03:52 AM
That's not obvious. whats your reasoning, Jolly?
Over $540M of Planned Parenthood budget comes from the government.

You don't need that kind of money if you have a lot less people walking through the door.

Of course, they spent over $55M in advertising and marketing, so maybe they don't need that much money, regardless.

Women as individuals respond differently to different BCP, so all brands can't be OTC. But perhaps some of the safest ones could be offered...And while the pills are free at many health units, I think the convenience of OTC might even lead to more efficacy in use.
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jon-nyc
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They get money from Title X Family Program for birth control. Nowhere does that say they must spend it on prescription-based methods. In fact, if fewer women get it for 'free' via their health insurance, then the demand for 'free' birth control via PP would increase, not decrease.

it's very easy to reflexively assign the poorest of motives to groups you don't like. But it's kind of lazy, and can lead you astray.
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Jolly
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May 29 2015, 04:39 AM
They get money from Title X Family Program for birth control. Nowhere does that say they must spend it on prescription-based methods. In fact, if fewer women get it for 'free' via their health insurance, then the demand for 'free' birth control via PP would increase, not decrease.

it's very easy to reflexively assign the poorest of motives to groups you don't like. But it's kind of lazy, and can lead you astray.
Planned Parenthood should receive no government funding. Whether I like them or not, is of no concern.

With the exception of abortion, they provide no services not available through Public Health.
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Jolly
May 28 2015, 04:06 PM
George and Bach can speak to the medical side of the argument (BCP's do have their side effects), but I see no reason why some of the safer pills cannot be marketed OTC.
no I don't agree. Nothing to do with the socio-religious aspects of the birth control issue. It's that birth control pills are hormonal medication with very serious physiological implications.

It's not an OTC type drug.
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blondie
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I think birth control pills could be a pharmacist prescribed thing.
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George K
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Mrs. George had a TIA because of a BCP shortly after we married.

Bach is right - these are serious meds with serious issues.
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Do the Democrats oppose OTC BCP?

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A long, long time ago -- way back in 2013 -- pro-choice progressives united in a new clarion call to make prescription birth control available over the counter. Now, for political reasons, they're changing their tune.

If you're one of the 10 million women in America who uses the pill, the prospect is nothing short of life-changing. Going to the doctor to refill the pill every month or even a couple times a year is annoying and time-consuming. And, according to many doctors, it's unnecessary. The pill is safe to take without a prescription.

"So why can't we have this, when the public and the medical establishment both think it's a great idea?" asked progressive journalist Amanda Marcotte two years ago.

Indeed. Just last year, far-left women's groups Planned Parenthood and Emily's List also thought making birth control available OTC was a great idea.

And according to a Reason-Rupe poll, so do 70 percent of Americans.

Well, in an uncanny and highly unusual turn of events, lawmakers in Washington actually listened. Just this week, legislators introduced a bill that would encourage drug companies to apply to sell contraceptives without a prescription.

But if Republican Sens. Cory Gardner of Colorado and Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire, along with four other GOP senators, were expecting flowers from Planned Parenthood and others for their bill, the Allowing Greater Access to Safe and Effective Contraception Act, they should brace for disappointment. Suddenly, the idea doesn't sound so great, and the former supporters aren't mincing words.

Planned Parenthood president Cecile Richards said the bill is a "sham and an insult to women."

Karen Middleton of NARAL Pro-Choice Colorado even got personal, saying, "Cory Gardner can't be trusted when it comes to Colorado women and their health care."

Why the about-face? Well, the story the libs are going with is that the bill will actually make the pill more expensive once it's no longer prescription (and therefore not covered by insurance). Which would be a fair point if it were true.

The actual text of the bill just became public late yesterday, but that hasn't prevented hyperventilating condemnation for what it was presumed to do.

An op-ed by Planned Parenthood's Jennifer Frizzell said women would be "forced to pay several hundred dollars more out of pocket each year" and "pay twice for their birth control -- first they'll pay for insurance coverage that includes birth control coverage, and then they'll pay out of pocket for it, too."

Of course, some women would rather not pay as much as $300 in monthly premiums for Obamacare when they can buy birth control a la carte from $10 to $30 a month. But more importantly, there's nothing in the Gardner-Ayotte bill that says all forms of birth control must be made available OTC. Some may remain prescription only. Furthermore, the Obama administration already mandates that Plan B, emergency contraception that is OTC, be covered by insurance, and it could require the same of birth control.

As Sen. Ayotte told me in an email:

"Those who are falsely saying our legislation would eliminate insurance coverage apparently haven't read the bill -- nothing in our bill changes current insurance coverage for contraceptives or prevents insurance companies from continuing to cover contraceptive costs."

Beneath the fear-mongering lies the more likely reason for the change of heart on the left. The bill was simply introduced by the wrong party.

If Democrats cede this issue to Republicans, they lose a major chit in their "war on women" narrative. For years, pro-choice groups have been peddling the charge that Republicans are against access to birth control. But it's utterly (and provably) false.

For one, Gardner and Ayotte are not the first Republicans to champion OTC birth control. Gov. Bobby Jindal introduced the idea in 2012. For another, last year Gallup found that a whopping 88 percent of Republicans find birth control to be morally acceptable. To put this into greater perspective, more Republicans are OK with birth control than Democrats are okay with gay or lesbian relations (71 percent) or abortion (59 percent).

But rather than do the right thing for women, progressives are putting politics before women's health. One hopes that when they actually read the bill, Planned Parenthood and others will change their tune. More likely? They'll just come up with another reason to say no to something women want, but that they alone want to take credit for.
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