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"I ask to have the same respect in return"
Topic Started: May 22 2015, 05:24 PM (264 Views)
George K
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Lesbian couple asks jeweler to make rings.

Jeweler makes rings.

Couple finds Jeweler's feelings on marriage offensive, want to return rings.

Doesn't matter because he's a H8R and needs to be boycotted.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/jewelry-store-sign-prompts-same-sex-couple-to-ask-for-refund-1.3077192

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A same-sex couple from St. John's is upset after discovering the jewelry store that sold them their engagement rings has posted a sign that seems to oppose same-sex marriage — but one of the store's owners says he's allowed to post his religious beliefs.

When Nicole White and Pam Renouf went looking for engagement rings a few months ago, the pair couldn't find anything they liked. The couple was eventually referred to Today's Jewellers in the Mount Pearl area because the store offers custom-made rings.

White and Renouf visited the store and later gave specifications and a price range for potential rings.

"They were great to work with. They seemed to have no issues. They knew the two of us were a same-sex couple," White said.

"I referred some of my friends to them, just because I did get some good customer service and they had good prices."

That was before one friend went in to purchase a ring for his girlfriend — and instead found a distressing sign.

It reads: "The sanctity of marriage is under attack. Let's keep marriage between a man and a woman."

"It was really upsetting. Really sad, because we already had money down on [the rings], and they're displaying how much they are against gays, and how they think marriage should be between a man and a woman."

The couple went to the store the following day, and asked about the sign.

"They just said that that's their beliefs, and they think they can put up whatever they want. I just said it was very disrespectful, it's very unprofessional and I wanted a refund," White said.

"I have no issues with them believing in what they believe in. I think everyone's entitled to their own opinion. But I don't think they should put their personal beliefs inside their business."

White and Renouf hope to get a refund when the man who sold them the rings returns to town next month — but it's not guaranteed.

White said the rings were meant to be a symbol of love, but now the bands seem tainted.

"I think every time I look at that ring, I'll probably think of what we just went through," White said.

Esau Jardon, the co-owner of Today's Jewellers, said he posts several signs in his store throughout the year.

"I have been posting different aspects of my religious beliefs the last 11 years, and I've never had one single problem with any of my customers," he said.

"It seems to be a Canadian right to post what you believe."

"One of the reasons my family chose to come to Canada was the freedom of rights," he said, noting the freedom of religion and freedom of speech.

"Nothing in that shop or in these posters is against the law... There's nothing there that means to discriminate or to hate anybody else."

Jardon said he won't apologize for his beliefs.

"I feel really bad that [White] feels that we would in any way try to hurt or discriminate against her, but we will not retract from what we believe. I cannot say, 'Well because you feel bad, I will stop believing what I believe,'" he said.

"When I walk on Church Street in Toronto, where I am right now, and I see [LGBT rainbow flags], and I see a lot of signs and a lot of things on public property, I don't have a problem with them. I accept it. I chose to come to Canada... and we accept the whole package... I don't discriminate against that, nor do I come and tell them to take them down. For the same reason, I ask to have the same respect in return, especially when it's in my own business."

Jardon said he's getting a big backlash from social media.

"I had to shut down the Facebook page because of so many hate emails and phone calls and just, really nasty stuff," he said.

When asked if he would offer a refund to the couple, Jardon said he won't be bullied into apologizing for his beliefs or to work for free.

He said the finished rings are ready to be picked up; White and Renouf just have to pay the balance.

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Because never in the history of retail have douchebag customers done something insane. :rolleyes:

If you want, I'll give you my own personal list of confrontations with customers in which they've threatened to sue, "have my job," sue and have my job, etc.

But they're not going to reinforce anyone's bias about same-sex marriage so I guess no one's up for storytime.
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George K
May 22 2015, 05:24 PM
I don't think they should put their personal beliefs inside their business.


I bet they wouldn't think that if the beliefs were sanctioned by msnbc
The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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May 23 2015, 04:48 AM
But they're not going to reinforce anyone's bias about same-sex marriage so I guess no one's up for storytime.
Do you have any idea what my "bias" toward same-sex marriage is? I've posted many stories about how inconsistent the thinking about it is (and this is one of them), but, iirc, I've never expressed my opinion on it, have I?

This isn't about same sex marriage, it's about people using their status as a crutch to punish those with whom they disagree.

By the way, I'm still waiting for a response, by anyone, to the Muslim baker who was asked to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple. Interestingly (or not, probably), there was no outcry about that.

I hate selective outrage.
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I believe muslim bakers are on the pc checklist at the moment. I'm not positive and I'm not sure if this covers all circumstances.

The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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George K
May 23 2015, 05:12 AM
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May 23 2015, 04:48 AM
But they're not going to reinforce anyone's bias about same-sex marriage so I guess no one's up for storytime.
Do you have any idea what my "bias" toward same-sex marriage is? I've posted many stories about how inconsistent the thinking about it is (and this is one of them), but, iirc, I've never expressed my opinion on it, have I?
Hold yer horses; didn't mean you.

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This isn't about same sex marriage, it's about people using their status as a crutch to punish those with whom they disagree.

By the way, I'm still waiting for a response, by anyone, to the Muslim baker who was asked to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple. Interestingly (or not, probably), there was no outcry about that.


Yeah but that happens all the time. Literally all the time. People pulling the veteran card and then trying to make you feel guilty when there's no special discount for them. (I've seen that one a lot.) People pulling the service dog card when really they have no business having a "service dog," they just want to bring their pets wherever. People pulling the mom card—y'know, "can I cut in front of you, I have kids in the car," "do you have junior discounts? I have kids," etc.

None of this crap will make the news because neither self-righteous conservatives nor self-righteous liberals really give a crap. It doesn't infuriate anyone but me, who's had to deal with it.

My question for you, George: why do you think I believe politics makes people stupid? The media's over here cherry-picking case studies, and while the entire world debates what the hell's going to happen to some cake business in a town they'll never go to in their lives, they ignore the dozen or so cases of the exact same shit going on in the very supermarket they're standing in!
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That's not politics, that's media cherry-picking.

As much as we'd like to think the net has changed public perception of events, the truth is that the MSM is still the horse that pulls the cart. One can have debate, but it will be on their playing field.
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You just said it wasn't politics and in the very next sentence you said MSM.

There's no conspiracy, Jolly. They don't sit around talking about how to thwart the conservatives. They go with what will make people read the crap.
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George K
May 23 2015, 05:12 AM
I hate selective outrage.
Though you seem to select only examples from the left to be outraged by.
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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jon-nyc
May 23 2015, 06:34 AM
George K
May 23 2015, 05:12 AM
I hate selective outrage.
Though you seem to select only examples from the left to be outraged by.
It's because I'm right-handed. :lol2:

But, seriously. Should this jeweler be punished for what he thinks, despite the fact that he did what was asked of him?

And, I'm still waiting for the defense of the Muslim baker.
Edited by George K, May 23 2015, 06:38 AM.
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George, I'm sure you'd post a ton of articles identifying bias at FoxNews, if only there were any :lol2:
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May 23 2015, 06:38 AM
George, I'm sure you'd post a ton of articles identifying bias at FoxNews, if only there were any :lol2:
If we want to talk about media bias, I'll be happy to do so.

What's your opinion on the jeweler and the baker?
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George K
May 23 2015, 06:37 AM
I'm still waiting for the defense of the Muslim baker.
Got a link to that Muslim baker story?
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George K
May 23 2015, 06:37 AM
Should this jeweler be punished for what he thinks, despite the fact that he did what was asked of him?

And, I'm still waiting for the defense of the Muslim baker.
a) No.

b) you won't find it from me. Ask one of the people of the board who thinks religious based descrimination against gays is ok. I'm sure any of them would be happy to throw up a defense of the Muslim baker.
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I think discrimination for or against just about anyone for just about any reason is ok

At least there is no need for the state government to take sides

Except for a very few special cases

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There you go, George!
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George K
May 23 2015, 06:39 AM
John D'Oh
May 23 2015, 06:38 AM
George, I'm sure you'd post a ton of articles identifying bias at FoxNews, if only there were any :lol2:
If we want to talk about media bias, I'll be happy to do so.

What's your opinion on the jeweler and the baker?
I don't really have one. To be perfectly honest I lost interest in the article after the first couple of lines. More fuss about nothing?
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I'd like to post in this thread, but I can't due to fear of retaliation through business extortion from the consistently angry right and the perpetually outraged left.
The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it.
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A jeweler who disapproves of gay people!

What's next, homophobic show tunes?
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