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It's all about the bikes.
Topic Started: May 21 2015, 12:43 PM (293 Views)
Jolly
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Geaux Tigers!
We need to do a much, much better job at making our cities (including New Orleans) bicycle friendly.

http://www.nola.com/traffic/index.ssf/2015/05/cars_vs_bikes_raising_awarenes.html#incart_most-commented_lsu
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Aqua Letifer
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Yes, yes we do.

In my experience, it only comes down to two things: logical infrastructure, and time.

Set up a way to integrate bicycles with traffic that isn't retarded, and over time people will come around. A whole lot of stupid accidents happen either because cyclists were forced to make dangerous traffic decisions, based on where the bike lanes are, how the lights work or whatever, or because drivers just plain are not used to dealing with them on the road.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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John D'Oh
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MAMIL
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May 21 2015, 02:51 PM
In my experience, it only comes down to two things: logical infrastructure, and time.
I think you have to win people over to the idea, too.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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kluurs
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I was a cyclist when young - had a few close calls including an injury that nearly ended use of my right hand. I quit cycling thinking it was only a matter of time before I was killed. I took it up again about a dozen years ago - but again for the past 3-4 years I haven't ridden much - pretty much for the same reason as the last time - only a matter of time before I'm killed. I love cycling - and as a car driver I'm pretty scrupulous to look for bikes darting out of anywhere - but still, it would be better if the the infrastructure were there to provide a measure of safety. There isn't any in most urban areas.

We have a lot of bike lanes in our cities - but cyclists (and runners and pedestrians) know that the danger places are intersections where madness reigns.
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Aqua Letifer
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John D'Oh
May 21 2015, 03:03 PM
Aqua Letifer
May 21 2015, 02:51 PM
In my experience, it only comes down to two things: logical infrastructure, and time.
I think you have to win people over to the idea, too.
Nah. It's like Sweden's H Day, when they shifted the side of the road they were gonna drive on. Sure, "working out a few kinks" is a total euphemism but people came around because they had to.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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Copper
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Jolly
May 21 2015, 12:43 PM
We need to do a much, much better job at making our cities (including New Orleans) bicycle friendly.

Why?

They are slow and just get in the way. I'm in a hurry, get those things off my road. If you want to ride a bike go to the gym.
The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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Aqua Letifer
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Copper
May 21 2015, 04:26 PM
Jolly
May 21 2015, 12:43 PM
We need to do a much, much better job at making our cities (including New Orleans) bicycle friendly.

Why?

They are slow and just get in the way. I'm in a hurry, get those things off my road. If you want to ride a bike go to the gym.
They're road-legal throughout Virginia.

Maryland and D.C., too.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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Copper
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Sidewalk legal too.
The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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John D'Oh
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May 21 2015, 03:52 PM
John D'Oh
May 21 2015, 03:03 PM
Aqua Letifer
May 21 2015, 02:51 PM
In my experience, it only comes down to two things: logical infrastructure, and time.
I think you have to win people over to the idea, too.
Nah. It's like Sweden's H Day, when they shifted the side of the road they were gonna drive on. Sure, "working out a few kinks" is a total euphemism but people came around because they had to.
I'm not talking about winning over cyclists, I'm talking about winning over people who drive Cadillacs, pick-ups and SUVs. It isn't the roads that stops me from riding my bike, it's American motorists.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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Jolly
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Copper
May 21 2015, 04:26 PM
Jolly
May 21 2015, 12:43 PM
We need to do a much, much better job at making our cities (including New Orleans) bicycle friendly.

Why?

They are slow and just get in the way. I'm in a hurry, get those things off my road. If you want to ride a bike go to the gym.
They're eco-friendly. They're community friendly (guys don't routinely bike 30 miles to work). And they don't take up as much space to park as even the smallest econobox.
The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros
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John D'Oh
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Jolly
May 21 2015, 05:29 PM
Copper
May 21 2015, 04:26 PM
Jolly
May 21 2015, 12:43 PM
We need to do a much, much better job at making our cities (including New Orleans) bicycle friendly.

Why?

They are slow and just get in the way. I'm in a hurry, get those things off my road. If you want to ride a bike go to the gym.
They're eco-friendly. They're community friendly (guys don't routinely bike 30 miles to work). And they don't take up as much space to park as even the smallest econobox.
But they get in people's way as they drive their massive SUV to the local gym.

(Back in the day, I used to ride 10 miles to work without a problem. For some reason I was lot thinner back then).
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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Jolly
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With the exception of Brenda, I don't think any of you drive the size vehicle I do on a regular basis.

If they don't get in my way, they shouldn't get in anybody's way...
The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros
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Copper
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Jolly
May 21 2015, 05:37 PM

If they don't get in my way, they shouldn't get in anybody's way...
Enforced tolerance is oppression.
The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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Aqua Letifer
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John D'Oh
May 21 2015, 05:13 PM
Aqua Letifer
May 21 2015, 03:52 PM
John D'Oh
May 21 2015, 03:03 PM
Aqua Letifer
May 21 2015, 02:51 PM
In my experience, it only comes down to two things: logical infrastructure, and time.
I think you have to win people over to the idea, too.
Nah. It's like Sweden's H Day, when they shifted the side of the road they were gonna drive on. Sure, "working out a few kinks" is a total euphemism but people came around because they had to.
I'm not talking about winning over cyclists, I'm talking about winning over people who drive Cadillacs, pick-ups and SUVs. It isn't the roads that stops me from riding my bike, it's American motorists.
Not every place is like that, though.

I do not ride my bike around my own neighborhood, for the exact reason you brought up. Nor do I take to the bike paths nearby because the carbon fiber, spandex motherfuckers think they're still on the beltway. Here, the place to ride is always downtown.

Traditionally, the burbs kinda suck for bikes. But I'd be willing to bet there's a good spot just a short drive away from you somewhere. As for our own neighborhoods, well, we'll both be waiting for them to come around.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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Aqua Letifer
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Jolly
May 21 2015, 05:29 PM
Copper
May 21 2015, 04:26 PM
Jolly
May 21 2015, 12:43 PM
We need to do a much, much better job at making our cities (including New Orleans) bicycle friendly.

Why?

They are slow and just get in the way. I'm in a hurry, get those things off my road. If you want to ride a bike go to the gym.
They're eco-friendly. They're community friendly (guys don't routinely bike 30 miles to work). And they don't take up as much space to park as even the smallest econobox.
Also, parking is always right outside a place of business and it takes about eight seconds.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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Larry
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Jolly
May 21 2015, 05:37 PM
With the exception of Brenda, I don't think any of you drive the size vehicle I do on a regular basis.

If they don't get in my way, they shouldn't get in anybody's way...
All other vehicles using the road are in my way and well within their rights. It takes nothing to consider bicyclists' safety.
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George K
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Want the same rights? Follow the same laws:

1) Stop at red lights.
2) Yield to slower traffic by moving to the right
3) Signal your intent

Hell, I'll even give you stop signs.
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Aqua Letifer
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George K
May 21 2015, 07:04 PM
Want the same rights? Follow the same laws:

1) Stop at red lights.
You, as a car driver, don't want me doing that all the time. Trust me you don't. It has to do with the second item you posted.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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blondie
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Bike lanes are popping up all over my city. I'm just getting used to them. I gotta get better informed b/c come winter, I can't always see their markings. More and more cyclists are commuting in the snow. I also think businesses should provide bike lockup-parking for cyclists. This would help those who want to make biking their primary mode of transportation.
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John D'Oh
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blondie
May 22 2015, 12:48 AM
More and more cyclists are commuting in the snow.
God, I wouldn't do that. If you hit ice on a bike and there's a car behind you, you're screwed.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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big al
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Our area is becoming more bicycle friendly and more bike lanes are being marked on roadways as well as more separate hike/bike trails being constructed. Not everyone is on board with this idea, however. Every time there is a a major announcement or a serious accident, people come out in the letters to the editor section of the paper with comments similar to what George posted concerning bicyclists not following the rules of the road or comments about how the bikes don't pay anything for the roads so they shouldn't use them (meanwhile, riding on the sidewalk is a violation in this state), or just a general disdain for any means of transportation that doesn't run on gasoline. I'm no longer surprised by the vitriol in some of these letters, but it still makes me wonder about some of the writers. Some of them also complain about pedestrians and, I suspect, some of them are the people who ride my ass until I can pull to the right when I'm only doing 10 mph over the posted speed limit on the freeway.

What sense of entitlement attaches to some drivers when they get a license and a vehicle?

Big Al
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