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Topic Started: May 20 2015, 09:16 PM (680 Views)
Jolly
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Nearly 9 of out 10 respondents (89 percent) said they would "search harder and wider" for work if their benefits ran out.

Pretty much says it all, right there.
Identifying narcissists isn't difficult. Just look for the person who is constantly fishing for compliments
and admiration while breaking down over even the slightest bit of criticism.

We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
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Larry
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Yep.

We've seen it happen before. When the republicans forced Bill Clinton to cut the welfare roles, that's exactly what happened. Most of the ones who got cut from the welfare roles went out and got a job.

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JBryan
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Outlaw Josey Wales.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

From The Lion in Winter.
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Larry
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Don't know that one, but one of my favorite saying is..

"The early bird might get the worm, but it's the second mouse that gets the cheese."
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JBryan
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"If she wants to play lumberjack she's gotta learn to handle her end of the log."
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

From The Lion in Winter.
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Larry
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
hahahahaha
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Aqua Letifer
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May 21 2015, 04:37 AM
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Nearly 9 of out 10 respondents (89 percent) said they would "search harder and wider" for work if their benefits ran out.

Pretty much says it all, right there.
Not to be rude, man, but when's the last time you went out there looking for a job?

It's stupid out there. HR departments whore their job offers out to every single recruitment office, job board and professional ad site in America and then complain that they can't respond to every applicant because there's just so darn many of them. Online application forms now allow recruiters to discriminate based on where you live, and you bet your ass any moderately sized company who can justify the software expense is doing that. If I was unemployed right now, I'd give a false address on my resume just to keep that shit from happening.

And guess what one of the biggest detriments to your application is? That you're already not working.

"Well we see here that there's a gap in your work history; what's up with that?"
"I've been looking for a job for the past 8 months."
"Haven't been working then, I take it."
"...No, I've been lo—"
"Okay, we'll stay in touch."

And this is the better of the two scenarios. Worse for you still is if you were stupid enough to get a job at Wal-Mart just to make ends meet until something better comes up. Because then what's the conversation going to be?

"You say you're a sales manager? Then why the hell are you working at Wal-Mart?"

And we're not even getting into the worst of it. In my line of work, the new standard companies have started to adopt—because the unemployed are desperate—is to have them work for free for about a week as part of their application. A couple years back, I was stuck in one of the worst jobs I've ever had and still I told two other companies to fuck themselves because they expected this out of me.

Looking for a job is an absolutely terrible process and people who don't have to do it aren't in the position to judge.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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Larry
May 21 2015, 05:42 AM
When the republicans forced Bill Clinton to cut the welfare roles, that's exactly what happened.
Did they force him to campaign on the idea in the Democratic primary of 1992?
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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He did campaign on it in 1992 but did sweet fvck all about it until the Republicans took over Congress. it was nothing but a campaign promise that he never intended to fulfill but it was a popular idea.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

From The Lion in Winter.
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May 21 2015, 08:19 AM
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May 21 2015, 04:37 AM
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Nearly 9 of out 10 respondents (89 percent) said they would "search harder and wider" for work if their benefits ran out.

Pretty much says it all, right there.
Not to be rude, man, but when's the last time you went out there looking for a job?

It's stupid out there. HR departments whore their job offers out to every single recruitment office, job board and professional ad site in America and then complain that they can't respond to every applicant because there's just so darn many of them. Online application forms now allow recruiters to discriminate based on where you live, and you bet your ass any moderately sized company who can justify the software expense is doing that. If I was unemployed right now, I'd give a false address on my resume just to keep that **** from happening.

And guess what one of the biggest detriments to your application is? That you're already not working.

"Well we see here that there's a gap in your work history; what's up with that?"
"I've been looking for a job for the past 8 months."
"Haven't been working then, I take it."
"...No, I've been lo—"
"Okay, we'll stay in touch."

And this is the better of the two scenarios. Worse for you still is if you were stupid enough to get a job at Wal-Mart just to make ends meet until something better comes up. Because then what's the conversation going to be?

"You say you're a sales manager? Then why the hell are you working at Wal-Mart?"

And we're not even getting into the worst of it. In my line of work, the new standard companies have started to adopt—because the unemployed are desperate—is to have them work for free for about a week as part of their application. A couple years back, I was stuck in one of the worst jobs I've ever had and still I told two other companies to **** themselves because they expected this out of me.

Looking for a job is an absolutely terrible process and people who don't have to do it aren't in the position to judge.
Since I retired, I've had headhunters calling me at home. Getting a job is not a problem. Getting something I'd quit my piddling PRN gig for is something else. So, I bask in my laziness. :snooze:

But, I do feel your pain. I see several bad practices at company HR departments now. One of the worst I see is narrow-casting. Businesses seem to want somebody who is job-ready, Day 1. Most people aren't, so many jobs are left unfilled. OTH, there are some wonderful, talented people, that could do a bang-up job for a company with just a tad of training and mentoring.

I guess the bean-counters have the bit in their teeth, though, because companies simply won't hire talented people, if the skills aren't in the Goldilocks Range.

Sad. And wasteful. For everybody.
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May 21 2015, 08:19 AM
Not to be rude, man, but when's the last time you went out there looking for a job?
Not to be rude, man, but this isn't the first downturn I've seen or lived thru in my lifetime.

It was hard in the 70's and 80's too. Much of it thanks to that dip$hit Carter. Just as an example, back then, mortgage rates were 10 to 16 percent. Inflation was 7 to 10 percent.

Granted this was written in 2009.

Each generation has its hard times. These are yours. I survived mine.

But you know and I know there are people who simply fill in the form that they looked for a job last week and simply sat on their a$$, so the unemployment checks would keep rollin' in.

Once the benefit stops, they finally get serious and actually find a job. You know it happens as well as I do.
Identifying narcissists isn't difficult. Just look for the person who is constantly fishing for compliments
and admiration while breaking down over even the slightest bit of criticism.

We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
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May 21 2015, 09:35 AM
Aqua Letifer
May 21 2015, 08:19 AM
Not to be rude, man, but when's the last time you went out there looking for a job?
Not to be rude, man, but this isn't the first downturn I've seen or lived thru in my lifetime.
Okay, but you doing well for yourself doesn't make other people lazy.

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Once the benefit stops, they finally get serious and actually find a job. You know it happens as well as I do.


Yes, but do you think the entire 40% are lazy? Because I just gave a concrete example of when picking up a job when unemployed can be bad for your future. In today's job climate, your work history slips up the once—and the best part is it doesn't even have to be your fault—and no one is willing to take a chance on you. And every job you pick up to get by gets you farther away from what you had.

It's not all hard workers and moochers.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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JBryan
May 21 2015, 06:01 AM
Outlaw Josey Wales.
I knew it would be you. :thumb:
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May 21 2015, 09:48 AM
Because I just gave a concrete example of when picking up a job when unemployed can be bad for your future. In today's job climate, your work history slips up the once - and the best part is it doesn't even have to be your fault - and no one is willing to take a chance on you. And every job you pick up to get by gets you farther away from what you had.
You say this like it's a recent phenomenon. It isn't.

This scenario plagued my generation "back in the olden days" too.

I too got laid off when I was about your age from an engineering firm. I couldn't find $hit for a job. I thought I was going to have to sell swimming pools for a living.

Things worked out...

As they say, "been there, done that, got the t-shirt".
Identifying narcissists isn't difficult. Just look for the person who is constantly fishing for compliments
and admiration while breaking down over even the slightest bit of criticism.

We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
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Seems to me that someone with good qualifications for a particular job who has been out of that type of job for a while, either unemployed or working lesser jobs while trying to find a job he is qualified for, would only be held back from getting hired by someone looking for someone with his qualifications by his own lack of ability to sell himself to the person doing the hiring.

But what do I know... I haven't worked for someone else in.....

my life....
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May 21 2015, 10:10 AM
You say this like it's a recent phenomenon. It isn't.

This scenario plagued my generation "back in the olden days" too.

Well, that just blows.

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I too got laid off when I was about your age from an engineering firm. I couldn't find $hit for a job. I thought I was going to have to sell swimming pools for a living.

Things worked out...

As they say, "been there, done that, got the t-shirt".


For you. The point is that not everybody has that happen. If there's no fairy-tale system in which you get what you work toward all the time, why assume everyone unemployed hasn't tried hard enough?
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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May 21 2015, 10:14 AM
Seems to me that someone with good qualifications for a particular job who has been out of that type of job for a while, either unemployed or working lesser jobs while trying to find a job he is qualified for, would only be held back from getting hired by someone looking for someone with his qualifications by his own lack of ability to sell himself to the person doing the hiring.

But what do I know... I haven't worked for someone else in.....

my life....
That pre-supposes that the person looking for a job has actually made it up to the point where he's able to talk to a real human being about the position. The mandatory online form he filled out didn't 86 his application because he had a job gap, and the HR troglodyte reading his resume didn't do the same, following departmental policy. Out of the thousands of applications that business has raked in, about 12 or so applicants would even make it that far.
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Two magazines, Country Living (95.99% white readership) and Ebony /Jet (99.99% black readership) did surveys on "WHAT DO PEOPLE FEAR MOST?”

The results were interesting...

Country Living magazine's top three answers were:

1. Nuclear war/terrorist attack in U.S
2. Child/spouse dying
3. Terminal illness

Ebony / Jet magazine's top three answers were:

1. Ghosts
2. Dogs
3. Registered mail
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Larry
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Don't ask me why I posted that here, because I have no freakin clue...... hahahaha
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It was something of a mystery to me why, at age 51 and laid off with about 10 other people in my company, almost the entire liability claims department, I could not get a job for 14 months. (Perhaps part of the problem was that I was the oldest one in that group, and one of two guys). In 1986, in the Reagan recession, I immediately got constant work as a temp doing manual labor. In 1989 after being fired, I immediately was employed again as a temp and didn't even get unemployment benefits. Fired again in 1996, I immediately got a temp job making more money (take home at least) than I had been making before, and in three months that company wanted to hire me but I took a position at a different place so that I could continue to handle commercial claims. Became a supervisor there, jumped ship when the writing was on the wall, and then 10 years later came the layoff. I could not get a temp job. About 1-2 times a month there would be a position in insurance claims, but there were plenty of gov't jobs that looked interesting.

At every insurance job I was up against former co-workers. My bad luck on my very first interview the hiring supervisor was a former co-worker who had left my company about 8 months before. Unfortunately I had confided in her that I was getting burned out and was thinking of a change in careers if layoffs came. Seemed to be coming in 2nd in a lot of interviews.

Most ridiculous moment about 11 months into unemployment. I almost lost my temper as the HR Hack on the phone first tried to pin me down to what kind of salary I was looking for. I kept trying to emphasize how flexible I was, but when "mid-forties" didn't satisfy him, and "$46-48k" didn't satisfy him, so I said $47,000 he said, "Oh that is more than the starting salary for this position". So I again told him I was flexible and that compensation was not even in the top three of my priorities and then he asked me why I thought I had been out of work for so long? So I said, "You would know better than I would".
Edited by Kincaid, May 21 2015, 06:15 PM.
Kincaid - disgusted Republican Partisan since 2006.
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Very glad something worked out for you, man. :hug:
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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Something is a lot netter than nothing, and it is always a lot better to have a job if you want to get a better one.
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May 21 2015, 06:51 PM
Something is a lot netter than nothing, and it is always a lot better to have a job if you want to get a better one.
Your saying and believing that doesn't make it any more true. Look at the the examples I posted earlier. An irrelevant work history can and does hurt some people's prospects more than a gap in work history.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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