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Best summation of Obama I've seen in a while
Topic Started: Mar 22 2015, 11:41 AM (3,622 Views)
jon-nyc
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Of course I'm biased. Toward the evidence and common sense. :hat:
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We are so lucky to have a poster who is free of a DS. We must all try harder to be like this.
The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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Jolly
Mar 25 2015, 02:51 AM
John D'Oh
Mar 24 2015, 05:46 PM
Also, I want to be told that criticizing American military policy is unpatriotic and undermines the country.
There's a difference between criticizing and being a traitor in the middle of a war.
People protesting against a war they don't agree with is not treason, however the claim is a tactic that has been used repeatedly through the ages to prevent freedom of speech.

Freedom of speech needs defending, even when it is inconvenient to the powers that be. No, scratch that - particularly when it is inconvenient to the powers that be. The hypocrisy of a number of both liberal and conservative commentators in this regard is frankly pretty breathtaking.

This type of nonsense is one of the reasons I refuse to take political discussion seriously. The tribal instinct seems to take over.
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Mikhailoh
Mar 25 2015, 03:10 AM
Jolly
Mar 25 2015, 03:00 AM
jon-nyc
Mar 24 2015, 11:29 PM
All of it. There is no evidence of it whatsoever. The IRS made no claim that Obama was using it to go after its critics.


Not a smidgen.
Do you actually think the idiots down at the IRS decided to target conservative groups, with no input from the White House?

You and I both know better. Therefore, either Mr. Obama back-channeled that request, or he is blindingly incompetent at controlling his staff. I think we both know which is true.

Currently, this thread is nothing more from some of y'all than semantic masterbation. Truth in Washington is hard to discern, but the cognizant person with a thimbleful of life experience can connect the dots pretty easily. Not to mention, that in politics, perception IS reality.

Best post in the thread.
These are rather disappointing answers because it is so blatantly obvious that you would come to quite different conclusions about such statements being facts if they would not support your political stance.

A little more honesty and reflection would do you all good. On the other hand, Cosmored would presumably approve these low standards for "facts".
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Klaus, if you recall I have not argued for anything being fact or opinion. You and Larry have.

If you wish to call what I just posted my opinion, I'm fine with that. But it is based on what I have seen in this case and in my life. A man who denies what he can see clearly is, IMO, a fool.
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These are rather disappointing answers because it is so blatantly obvious that you would come to quite different conclusions about such statements being facts if they would not support your political stance.


Sorry, but it has already happened, and we impeached him for it. Richard Nixon, ever hear of him?
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jon-nyc
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Klaus, the comparison to Cosmored is a bit unfair. He at least presents evidence to support his claims, howeve weak it may be.
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Mikhailoh
Mar 25 2015, 04:41 AM
A man who denies what he can see clearly is, IMO, a fool.
True, but are you sure that you believe it when you see it and not the other way around?
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As far as the IRS is concerned, I'd say there is definitely a serious cause for concern that politically motivated targeting is going on, however to state that it is a proven fact that it was instigated by the WH is going too far. It's far from clear where the impetus for the targeting is coming from.

Remember Ronald Reagan and Oliver North?

People tried to argue that Reagan knew nothing about this clear and blatant attempt to break US law with Iran-Contra, and Reagan himself claimed he had no recollection of the decision - if entertaining that statement is even a possibility, then it must equally be possible for any IRS targeting to be outside of influence from Obama.

Or are you chaps finally able to admit that Ronald Reagan was a criminal?
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jon-nyc
Mar 25 2015, 04:49 AM
Klaus, the comparison to Cosmored is a bit unfair. He at least presents evidence to support his claims, howeve weak it may be.
You've had evidence presented to you. It's not our fault you refuse to see it.

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jon-nyc
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No evidence has been presented that Obama sent the IRS to do anything. If you disagree, please summarize what that evidence is, using your own words.
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What do you see in this picture?
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If you see a triangle, then, sorry, you are wrong.

But since we are so used to triangles, our brain tends to "complete" the picture to something that fits to the concepts we are used to.
Brains are lazy, hence it always wants to fit any new experience into the already existing conception of the world in that brain. It
takes a lot more effort to add something new or change something existing.

I don't know why I'm mentioning this, but it just popped into my head while thinking about this thread.
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Mikhailoh
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My brain is used to PacMan, so I'm not at all sure what this triangle thing is you are on about.

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Klaus
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Mikhailoh
Mar 25 2015, 05:05 AM
My brain is used to PacMan
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jon-nyc
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I see pie.
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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I see dead people.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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I see world peace.
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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jon-nyc
Mar 25 2015, 04:59 AM
No evidence has been presented that Obama sent the IRS to do anything. If you disagree, please summarize what that evidence is, using your own words.

OK, so now that you have backed off Larry's well defined statement and opened it up to "anything" the evidence is clear.

Mr. Obama went on national television with Bill O'Reilly and initiated the cover-up with the famous smidgen remark.

We all watched it live.
The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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Larry
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Larry, trotting out a bunch of conservative talking heads and websites isn't exactly an objective analysis.

I was originally happy to admit that this is a legitimate area of concern, but the more you link to this sort of stuff, the more doubts I have :lol:
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Renauda
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Jolly
Mar 25 2015, 02:51 AM
John D'Oh
Mar 24 2015, 05:46 PM
Also, I want to be told that criticizing American military policy is unpatriotic and undermines the country.
There's a difference between criticizing and being a traitor in the middle of a war.
Then I'll just have to take the flack for D'Oh in this discourse of inanity.
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John D'Oh
Mar 25 2015, 06:21 AM
Larry, trotting out a bunch of conservative talking heads and websites isn't exactly an objective analysis.
Well, I trotted out the most liberal news media that exists before that, and you didn't pay any attention to that either, so obviously you aren't satisfied no matter what.
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