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Best summation of Obama I've seen in a while
Topic Started: Mar 22 2015, 11:41 AM (3,623 Views)
Copper
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jon-nyc
Mar 24 2015, 04:14 PM
No, it's entirely the point. The thread is about whether Larry's list are 'facts' or not. The point re the IRS is decidedly not a 'fact'. Nor is there a smidgen of evidence to suggest otherwise.

I'm not sure what word game you are playing with "evidence" or "smidgen" but there is a long list available from many sources.

Use Google you'll find millions.

Here is one from our friends at huffpo, if they post it, it must be true

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/07/lois-lerner-irs_n_5107596.html

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House Committee Finds Evidence Lois Lerner May Have Committed Crimes In IRS Scandal



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Again, Larry's list, and the article from which it came, were pretty specific. It said Obama used the IRS to go after his critics.

Not a smidgen. Google all you will.
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jon-nyc
Mar 24 2015, 04:14 PM
No, it's entirely the point. The thread is about whether Larry's list are 'facts' or not. The point re the IRS is decidedly not a 'fact'. Nor is there a smidgen of evidence to suggest otherwise.
Perhaps you don't keep up with what's going on good enough Jon, because the IRS has already admitted they purposely targeted conservative groups.

So your argument that there is not a "smidgen of evidence to suggest it" is false.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBnasus3JH4
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Larry
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So you can try as hard as you want to bury this under bullsh!t, but the simple truth is, there isn't just a "smidgen of evidence" - there's a mountain of it.

Here's another video that lays your attempt to cover it up bare:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJPMjxcNT_k
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OK, we don't have a surveillance video, or any other direct before the fact evidence that shows Mr. Obama making the call.

I think you could make a pretty good argument that the smidgen claim is in itself an after the fact cover-up or an act of interfering with an ongoing investigation. At the time the investigators involved worked for Mr. Obama and it could be considered a clear message to them to back off. But of course this argument depends on the meaning of fact.

And it's clear that Mr. Obama doesn't understand his responsibilities as president which opens the possibility that he didn't know the IRS was under his control. So there is plenty of room for reasonable doubt.
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Ok, since you haven't been keeping up, I'll repeat myself here, Larry.

If your point is 'The article could have said something different than it did, and had it said something that was true, then it would have been a fact', then I will concede you are correct but it is a trivial concession.

In the event, the article made a claim for which no evidence had been presented. Not a smidgen.

Providing evidence that supports a different claim than that made by the article does not support the claim made by the article.
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You know what I'm really looking forward to about the next Republican Presidency?

Listening to "conservatives" tell me I need to show the office of President more respect, and that 'it's not possible for an idiot to get elected President'.

Seriously - I can't f*cking wait. It's going to be so much fun.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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Also, I want to be told that criticizing American military policy is unpatriotic and undermines the country.
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Jon, what part of "uses the IRS to go after critics" and the IRS formally admitting to Congress that they went after Obama's critics is it that you're having trouble comprehending?
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All of it. There is no evidence of it whatsoever. The IRS made no claim that Obama was using it to go after its critics.


Not a smidgen.
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jon-nyc
Mar 24 2015, 11:29 PM
All of it. There is no evidence of it whatsoever. The IRS made no claim that Obama was using it to go after its critics.


Not a smidgen.
Then who were they doing it for then, Jon? Because they admitted formally to Congress that they did it. Do you think they did it for someone else?

You've got your head buried so deep in the sand that if Obama himself came straight out and said he put them up to it, you'd still claim there was no evidence.

It reminds me of the saying... "Trying to reason with a liberal is like trying to play chess with a pigeon. They'll just strut around the board, knock all the pieces down, and then sh!t on it."

There's this thing called "logic", Jon.....

1. Conservative groups were targeted by the IRS.
2. The IRS denied it.
3. Obama denied it... (you're stuck at that point)
4. Congressional investigation found that the IRS was lying.
5. The IRS formally confessed to doing it.
6..... for........... Eisenhower?

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Larry
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Geez Jon, even MSNBC discusses it, and blasts the Obama administration for doing it.

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No evidence whatsoever. Not a smidgen.
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When even MSNBC says the evidence is there, it's time for you to read the handwriting on the wall..... lol

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HOLY CARP!!!
I thought all these "facts" where "unarguable"?
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Larry, what is the evidence that Obama sent the IRS to do whatever it is they did? Put it in your own words.

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John D'Oh
Mar 24 2015, 05:46 PM
Also, I want to be told that criticizing American military policy is unpatriotic and undermines the country.
There's a difference between criticizing and being a traitor in the middle of a war.
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jon-nyc
Mar 24 2015, 11:29 PM
All of it. There is no evidence of it whatsoever. The IRS made no claim that Obama was using it to go after its critics.


Not a smidgen.
Do you actually think the idiots down at the IRS decided to target conservative groups, with no input from the White House?

You and I both know better. Therefore, either Mr. Obama back-channeled that request, or he is blindingly incompetent at controlling his staff. I think we both know which is true.

Currently, this thread is nothing more from some of y'all than semantic masterbation. Truth in Washington is hard to discern, but the cognizant person with a thimbleful of life experience can connect the dots pretty easily. Not to mention, that in politics, perception IS reality.

The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros
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Jolly
Mar 25 2015, 03:00 AM
jon-nyc
Mar 24 2015, 11:29 PM
All of it. There is no evidence of it whatsoever. The IRS made no claim that Obama was using it to go after its critics.


Not a smidgen.
Do you actually think the idiots down at the IRS decided to target conservative groups, with no input from the White House?

You and I both know better. Therefore, either Mr. Obama back-channeled that request, or he is blindingly incompetent at controlling his staff. I think we both know which is true.

Currently, this thread is nothing more from some of y'all than semantic masterbation. Truth in Washington is hard to discern, but the cognizant person with a thimbleful of life experience can connect the dots pretty easily. Not to mention, that in politics, perception IS reality.

Best post in the thread.
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What you're saying is that there is no evidence but that you don't need any.

I think your ODS has taken charge here.


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Oh, and let's not say it's all semantics. I mean, as whiney partisan polemic, (which is what this piece is), you forgive the semantic overreach.

But Larry is telling us that this isn't just whiney partisan polemic, rather that every charge there is an objective fact.

So semantics matter.

Or, to put it another way, word selections have consequences.
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jon-nyc
Mar 25 2015, 03:11 AM
What you're saying is that there is no evidence but that you don't need any.

I think your ODS has taken charge here.


What I'm saying, is that a smart person doesn't leave a smoking gun. To discern truth, one has to take a more subtle and a longer view.

After awhile, if it walks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck, no matter if the duck keeps telling you it's a dog.
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Frankly your ODS prevents you from being subtle with this.
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jon-nyc
Mar 25 2015, 03:39 AM
Frankly your ODS prevents you from being subtle with this.
And you're not biased?

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jon-nyc
Mar 25 2015, 03:15 AM

But Larry is telling us that this isn't just whiney partisan polemic, rather that every charge there is an objective fact.
Whether it's "whiney" or not depends on who's reading it. As for being partisan, I think you need to learn the difference between being partisan and telling the truth.

As for each and every charge made in that article, hell yes every God damned one of those statements are a clear, obvious, provable, objective FACT. You can't see it because YOU are partisan.
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