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Best summation of Obama I've seen in a while
Topic Started: Mar 22 2015, 11:41 AM (3,624 Views)
Klaus
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This thread reminds me of JBryan's signature: There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".
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Jolly
Mar 24 2015, 09:03 AM
jon-nyc
Mar 24 2015, 09:02 AM
And 'abandon' is a pretty strong word. Maybe Mubarak was abandoned. He was an ally. But Egypt wasn't abandoned. So does that count?
I think so, in the same manner the Shah was abandoned.
Could you explain for us young lads how the Shah was abandoned please?
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jon-nyc
Mar 24 2015, 09:10 AM
'Uses the IRS to go after critics' - no evidence for this whatsoever. Not a smidgen, as George might say.

'Politicize the DOJ'. Well, again, that's probably not a defensible position, since to prove that it was true you'd need to make the case that it wasn't politicized already when he got to it. Hence my earlier comment about Mr Hoover.

One that I think is objectively true is that he lied to the public. I'm not sure how that differentiates him from the other presidents in my lifetime.
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Yep, no evidence that Obama 'used the IRS to go after his critics'. Not even a smidgen. That Wiki piece doesn't even assert it.
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John D'Oh
Mar 24 2015, 12:34 PM
I'm sorry, but attempting to pin the blame for failed banks on the Obama administration is nothing short of laughable.

There's plenty of areas where Obama has failed, and I for one am not about to defend his record, but this discussion resembles a bring-your-child-to-work day at the local lunatic asylum.

There is "he went after banks" and then there is "bank stocks have tripled" on his watch, there is a lot of space between these two.

Way back when Mr. Obama's peace prize was still shiny there was a thing known as a global financial crisis. Some blame for this is given to subprime loans. Did Mr. Obama invent subprime loans to people with weak credit? Maybe, maybe not.

Here is one of many articles you could find that suggest he played his part: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aSKSoiNbnQY0

And his administration has within the last couple years been pushing banks to return to this kind of loan.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/obama-administration-pushes-banks-to-make-home-loans-to-people-with-weaker-credit/2013/04/02/a8b4370c-9aef-11e2-a941-a19bce7af755_story.html

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/the-government-calls-for-more-subprime-lending%E2%80%94then-prosecutes-it-154829221.html

Laughable lunacy.
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jon-nyc
Mar 24 2015, 01:11 PM
Yep, no evidence that Obama 'used the IRS to go after his critics'. Not even a smidgen. That Wiki piece doesn't even assert it.
By the way, if Obama had had any involvement, I think he would have had to resign. I think he would definitely have been impeached, and there'd have been enough Democratic support for conviction in the Senate to make him resign.

I mean, I can't prove the counterfactual, but that's my best guess.
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Axtremus
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Guys, you misunderstand.

Obama did not "go after the banks and the healthcare industry."
He was looking out for the interest of the poor and the infirm.

Obama did not "use the IRS to go after his critics."
He merely let the IRS uphold the law.

Obama did not "ignore the Constitution."
He fulfills the Constitution.
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Mar 24 2015, 01:13 PM
Way back when Mr. Obama's peace prize was still shiny there was a thing known as a global financial crisis. Some blame for this is given to subprime loans. Did Mr. Obama invent subprime loans to people with weak credit? Maybe, maybe not.

Here is one of many articles you could find that suggest he played his part: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aSKSoiNbnQY0

And his administration has within the last couple years been pushing banks to return to this kind of loan.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/obama-administration-pushes-banks-to-make-home-loans-to-people-with-weaker-credit/2013/04/02/a8b4370c-9aef-11e2-a941-a19bce7af755_story.html

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/the-government-calls-for-more-subprime-lending%E2%80%94then-prosecutes-it-154829221.html

Laughable lunacy.
So now you're trying to blame the global financial crisis that started in 2007 on somebody who was elected in 2008?

I believe Doctor Who is looking for a new assistant - have you thought of applying?
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jon-nyc
Mar 24 2015, 01:19 PM

By the way, if Obama had had any involvement, I think he would have had to resign.

This deal isn't in the past tense yet.

The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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True, if it is discovered tomorrow that he used the IRS to target his enemies he would almost certainly face impeachment and, I believe, would have insufficient Democratic support in the Senate to avoid conviction.

In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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John D'Oh
Mar 24 2015, 01:31 PM
Copper
Mar 24 2015, 01:13 PM
Way back when Mr. Obama's peace prize was still shiny there was a thing known as a global financial crisis. Some blame for this is given to subprime loans. Did Mr. Obama invent subprime loans to people with weak credit? Maybe, maybe not.

Here is one of many articles you could find that suggest he played his part: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aSKSoiNbnQY0

And his administration has within the last couple years been pushing banks to return to this kind of loan.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/obama-administration-pushes-banks-to-make-home-loans-to-people-with-weaker-credit/2013/04/02/a8b4370c-9aef-11e2-a941-a19bce7af755_story.html

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/the-government-calls-for-more-subprime-lending%E2%80%94then-prosecutes-it-154829221.html

Laughable lunacy.
So now you're trying to blame the global financial crisis that started in 2007 on somebody who was elected in 2008?

I believe Doctor Who is looking for a new assistant - have you thought of applying?

You may remember that Mr. Obama was elected well before 2008 as a Senator from the great State of Illinois.

It was in this job that he worked with Ms. Clinton to help create the crisis.
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Klaus
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That must have been right after Al Gore invented the internet.
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Copper
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You could look it up.
The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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Copper
Mar 24 2015, 01:35 PM
It was in this job that he worked with Ms. Clinton to help create the crisis.
Is that a fact?
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Jolly
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Axtremus
Mar 24 2015, 01:22 PM
Guys, you misunderstand.

Obama did not "go after the banks and the healthcare industry."
He was looking out for the interest of the poor and the infirm.

Obama did not "use the IRS to go after his critics."
He merely let the IRS uphold the law.

Obama did not "ignore the Constitution."
He fulfills the Constitution.
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jon-nyc
Mar 24 2015, 01:35 PM
True, if it is discovered tomorrow that he used the IRS to target his enemies he would almost certainly face impeachment and, I believe, would have insufficient Democratic support in the Senate to avoid conviction.

Oh, say that again. I love it when you talk removal. :lol2:
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Mikhailoh
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I love seeing the koolaids come back out again. It's so nostalgic. :lol2:
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Copper
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Axtremus
Mar 24 2015, 01:52 PM
Copper
Mar 24 2015, 01:35 PM
It was in this job that he worked with Ms. Clinton to help create the crisis.
Is that a fact?
It was in all the papers.
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Klaus
Mar 24 2015, 01:45 PM
That must have been right after Al Gore invented the internet.
And Obama privatised it.
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Mikhailoh
Mar 24 2015, 01:56 PM
I love seeing the koolaids come back out again. It's so nostalgic. :lol2:
Next thing you know we'll be having moonpies fried. The great thing about derangement syndromes is you can recycle all the jokes.
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Copper
Mar 24 2015, 01:51 PM
You could look it up.


I's sure you's did...

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Hey that's really funny.

But it doesn't change the fact that Mr. Obama has for many years demonstrated that he understands that sub-prime loans are excessively risky. And even so he continues today to encourage even more of this kind of loan.

These are simple facts.

When you and jd post these amazingly witty posts it is hard to stay on topic but there it is.

I know you guys might be tempted to pretend I said that Mr. Obama caused the crisis, but of course I don't think he did. He did clearly encourage the problem and continues this encouragement today.

Now as far as the smidgen is concerned, the smidgen was a reference made by Mr. Obama about the IRS scandal. It had nothing to do with any personal use of the IRS by Mr. Obama. It was Mr. Obama's denial that any corruption existed at all.

So the lack of any evidence that directly involves the president is beside the point.

The claim by Mr. Obama was in the matter of the IRS scandal that there was “Not even mass corruption -- not even a smidgen of corruption.”

Of course Mr. Obama, as president, is responsible for the IRS. He may or may not be aware of this.

The investigation into this matter continues. There is plenty of evidence that a smidgen of corruption may have existed.

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No, it's entirely the point. The thread is about whether Larry's list are 'facts' or not. The point re the IRS is decidedly not a 'fact'. Nor is there a smidgen of evidence to suggest otherwise.
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If your point is 'Larry's article could have said something different than it did, and had it said something that was true, then it would have been a fact', then I will concede you are correct but it is a trivial concession.

In the event, the article made a claim for which no evidence had been presented. Not a smidgen.
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