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| Best summation of Obama I've seen in a while | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Mar 22 2015, 11:41 AM (3,626 Views) | |
| Larry | Mar 23 2015, 07:17 AM Post #26 |
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Sorry, but your explanation has little merit. While it's true that ideology can shape ones interpretation of things, it does have a thing to do with the underlying issue. Each statement in that article is factually correct. You are simply making excuses, apparently preferring to take that tack rather than show your evidence that they are not true. |
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| Klaus | Mar 23 2015, 07:23 AM Post #27 |
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Well, let's take a few of your "facts". "abandons our allies" - this is a much too vague statement to have a clear truth value. Same for "Appeases tyrants" or "politicizes the Justice Department". There is no objective procedure to decide whether such statements are true. These statements are neither true nor false; they are just vague expressions of an opinion. |
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| Renauda | Mar 23 2015, 07:42 AM Post #28 |
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Klaus, your efforts are futile in this regard. It's like this: it is a fact that Larry maintains that he personally and intimately knows Jack Schitt. O'bama on the other hand, exhibits words, deeds and actions that prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he does not know Jack Schitt. It is a fact therefore that O'bama doesn't know Jack Schitt. |
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| Larry | Mar 23 2015, 07:42 AM Post #29 |
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Ah....you don't keep up on the news, you say.... lol |
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| Larry | Mar 23 2015, 08:00 AM Post #30 |
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http://enlightenedliberal.com/5-times-obama-abandoned-us-allies/ http://nypost.com/2014/11/12/our-abandoned-asian-allies-obamas-empty-china-victories/ http://www.theglobalist.com/obama-abandons-allies-on-chinas-marshall-plan/ http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-abandons-allies-befriends-u-s-enemies https://cofda.wordpress.com/2013/12/12/obamas-foreign-policy-abandon-allies-appease-enemies/ http://thediplomat.com/2014/01/has-obama-abandoned-the-pivot-to-asia/ http://wizbangblog.com/content/2009/09/17/obamas-disgraceful-betrayal-of-our-allies.php http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/09/04/why-obama-has-abandoned-israel-and-jews-should-abandon-obama/
Been following the Iran nuclear talks much?
You can't seriously be saying he hasn't..... bahahahahaha |
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| Copper | Mar 23 2015, 08:00 AM Post #31 |
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Shortstop
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This of course includes the definition of "facts". |
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| John D'Oh | Mar 23 2015, 08:19 AM Post #32 |
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It's always nice to see the peer review process in action
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| jon-nyc | Mar 23 2015, 08:20 AM Post #33 |
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Cheers
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I can just imagine poor J. Edgar Hoover spinning in his grave. |
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| Klaus | Mar 23 2015, 08:33 AM Post #34 |
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You can post 500 more links like that, but that doesn't turn opinion into "fact". I have no problem whatsoever if this is your opinion, but I can't take a claim that this is a "fact" seriously. Of course relations with allies change all the time. Some relations get stronger, others get weaker. For instance, GW Bush has very seriously damaged the relation to many NATO allies with his "coalition of the willing" strategy. Yet I haven't seen you making any claims to that effect about Bush. So, tell me, Larry, what does it mean that Obama has "abandoned our allies"? Does it mean that he has completely cut all relations to all allies of the US? I think we both agree that this is false. Does it mean that he has completely cut all relations to some allies of the US? I think we both agree that this is false. Does it mean that the relation to some allies became weaker and to others it became stronger? Well, that's exactly what has happened with every single US president. |
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| Larry | Mar 23 2015, 08:38 AM Post #35 |
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Of course you can't...... |
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| Klaus | Mar 23 2015, 08:46 AM Post #36 |
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Tell me, Larry, how posting links to random websites substantiates your claim that it is a "fact". |
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| John D'Oh | Mar 23 2015, 08:53 AM Post #37 |
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Say what you like about facts, but I'm pretty sure those websites are anything but random. |
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| Larry | Mar 23 2015, 08:57 AM Post #38 |
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Klaus, you have decided what to believe, and you have convinced yourself that your view is the correct one. You are impervious to the obvious, so there's no need in me trying to change your mind. If you can't see the obvious, there's nothing I can do to help you. As to the links being "random websites"...... how clueless can you be, Klaus? |
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| Klaus | Mar 23 2015, 10:19 AM Post #39 |
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Is that an attempt to put me into your "left wing nutter" box? Apart from the fact that that box is probably rather crowded, I don't fit into that box. I have in fact not even expressed my opinion about Obama's foreign policy here. And that opinion is a rather mixed bag. I'm far from being a fan. I understand that putting people into boxes makes ones world view simple, but unfortunately boxes are typically at odds with reality. If all you can do to substantiate your claims is to declare them to be "obvious", then that's somewhat pathetic. |
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| Larry | Mar 23 2015, 12:52 PM Post #40 |
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So..... stating the obvious is pathetic...... Got it. |
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| Klaus | Mar 23 2015, 01:02 PM Post #41 |
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May I recommend a few exercises? Part 1 Part 2 Part 3 Let me know how it goes! |
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| Larry | Mar 23 2015, 01:15 PM Post #42 |
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May I offer one to you? Obama tries to swing the vote in Israel away from Netanyahu. Israel is ____________ (a) an ally (b) an enemy Obama kisses up to the Iranians and tries to push through a nuclear deal with them that allows them to have nuclear weapons. Iran is ______________ (a) an ally (b) an enemy. Assuming you got the first two questions correct, would saying that Obama is (a) abandoning allies and appeasing enemies (b) Can't say because I'm trying to determine if it's fact or opinion Now answer this question: What is this: ![]() and what is this: ![]() |
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| Klaus | Mar 23 2015, 01:32 PM Post #43 |
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That's a hard one. Let me think... A post-structuralist deconstruction of your contributions to this forum maybe? |
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| Larry | Mar 23 2015, 01:35 PM Post #44 |
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Ok now Klaus, you're taking this all too personally.... lol |
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| Klaus | Mar 23 2015, 01:36 PM Post #45 |
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Cheers!
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| Mikhailoh | Mar 23 2015, 01:39 PM Post #46 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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We all see with our own eyes. Different people see different things, and those are their facts. My view and Larry's mostly coincide on this particular matter. Whether he is evil, deranged or just plain deluded, he is a very, very weak leader and his pocket, and ours is getting picked daily. |
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| kluurs | Mar 23 2015, 01:48 PM Post #47 |
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I'm not terribly fond of any of them - either party. Last guy liked to hold hands with the leaders of the country that paid for the terrorists who hit us on 9/11 - when he wasn't looking deeply into the eyes of Putin and falling in love. The crowd that are vying for the next run don't excite confidence. |
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| John D'Oh | Mar 23 2015, 01:54 PM Post #48 |
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Both parties have pretty much the same selection process, and the same overall goal. It shouldn't be a surprise that they share a lot of similarities. Anybody claiming otherwise is either deluding themselves or trying to sell us something, or both. |
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| Axtremus | Mar 23 2015, 01:56 PM Post #49 |
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I believe Donald Trump has neither held hands with the leaders of the country that paid for the terrorists who hit us on 9/11 nor looked deeply into the eyes of Putin and falling in love. Excited yet? |
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| John D'Oh | Mar 23 2015, 02:01 PM Post #50 |
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Trump has to find a VP running mate who makes him look like less of a dickweed by comparison. That's going to be a bloody tall order. |
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