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NFL confirms it's looking into the matter of deflated footballs in AFC title game
Topic Started: Jan 19 2015, 09:49 AM (5,909 Views)
Copper
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Jan 26 2015, 07:21 PM
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The seven worst teams in fumbles per game

Again - fumbles per game is not a valid measure, unless your goal is to simply show that other teams fumble fewer times per game than the Patriots.

The goal was obviously to answer the point about fumbles per game and the weather. Read the quote on that post.

Fumbles per game is a valid measure of fumbles per game.

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It is - but it isn't a good piece of information when trying to determine a team's statistical likelihood to fumble the ball.
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Copper: the more you say, the more you just convince the reader that you don't understand probability, statistics, or hypothesis testing. Keep on digging.
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Jan 27 2015, 06:38 AM
PV=nRT, baby. You can't change that.

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In New England, our gases are far from ideal - just ask anybody who's shared an office with me.
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Jan 27 2015, 07:15 AM
Copper: the more you say, the more you just convince the reader that you don't understand probability, statistics, or hypothesis testing. Keep on digging.

I understand both statistics and the English language and have carefully used both.

Anyone having trouble understanding should feel free to ask questions.

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Jan 27 2015, 07:17 AM
big al
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In New England, our gases are far from ideal - just ask anybody who's shared an office with me.
That raises a more fiendish possiblity. :devilgrin:

If the balls were filled with a carefully selected non-ideal gas or mixture of gases, you could get a dramatic pressure change between warm conditions in a locker room or similar space and colder outdoor temperatures on the playing field.

I wonder if anyone has analyzed the contents of the suspect balls. :doh:

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I don't inspect anyone's balls, suspect or not.

John, just don't try to call them noble gasses.
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/26/video-shows-employee-taking-24-balls-into-bathroom/
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It fairly begs the question 'why, oh why, would a locker room attendant do such a thing?'.

Gee. Let's see...personal initiative to 'help the team'? Doesn't sound plausible.

But I will bet there is semi-plausible deniability somewhere in the process that, to me, will clinch the deal. 'Oh, he must have misunderstood'.


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On a team that Belichek runs with a fanatical attention to detail, I'm SUUURRRE some $10/hr ball boy is going to deflate the game balls just because he overheard Tom Terrific say he likes soft balls. :rolleyes2: :lol2: :lol2: :rolleyes2:

Word is, both the Colts and the Ravens had complained to the league office previously about the balls.

This ain't the first time....hence the fumble argument.

And yes, stats be damned, a softer ball is easier to catch and hold on to.
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Of course it is. I'm sure they will try to sacrifice a lower level person, but that I suspect will backfire.

It's always the cover-up.
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Agree with you both.

And I think as someone said earlier, it will come down to plausible deniability. If there's someone else to blame it on, no matter how transparent and ridiculous it is, I have no doubt that the NFL will do it with a straight face and stand behind it.

Look how staunchly opposed they were for YEARS to the overwhelming evidence that CTE is a real thing, even hiring docs to discount the evidence - and they're just now starting to openly say "yeah - it looks like maybe CTE is really occurring in some players" (this is after the team doing the research had only tested one dead NFL player's brain which didn't have CTE, out of more than 50 I think?).

They have a track record of not doing what's right, in favor of what's convenient or profitable. If they can cover this, I'm sure they will.
Now - if other owners and coaches make a big stink, maybe it's a different story.
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Jan 29 2015, 06:35 AM
Now - if other owners and coaches make a big stink, maybe it's a different story.
Making too big a stink might be a little counter-productive. I have a hard time imagining that it's only the Patriots doing this type of stuff.
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If that is true I bet they don't for a while after this.
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It's not like the audience is going to stop watching, or the sponsors/advertisers stop paying as long as the audience is there. So where is the incentive for change?

It's like people complaining about Apple Inc. or Facebook or [your telecom/Internet service provider] and then keep using them anyway. Why would they change?
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Jan 29 2015, 06:54 AM
If that is true I bet they don't for a while after this.
Until September at the very least.
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They will invent the NFL ball police. The police will prepare the balls according to team preference within the rules. The police will be hired according to union affirmative action guidelines.

Also the rules will change to allow softer balls to be used. This will, in theory, lead to more offense and more scoring which is the holy grail.

The NFL will apologize to the Pats and thank them for demonstrating to the NFL the mistake of using balls that are too hard.

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Also the rules will change to allow softer balls to be used. This will, in theory, lead to more offense and more scoring which is the holy grail.


This is a very good question. Why is the inflation band set at the current range? What's the argument for it, and the history? Is it just Brady's preferences for a less inflated ball, or would all quarterbacks prefer the band to be shifted a bit lower?
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I'm pretty sure the holy grail for the NFL is more commercial breaks.
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Jan 29 2015, 11:38 AM
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Also the rules will change to allow softer balls to be used. This will, in theory, lead to more offense and more scoring which is the holy grail.


This is a very good question. Why is the inflation band set at the current range? What's the argument for it, and the history? Is it just Brady's preferences for a less inflated ball, or would all quarterbacks prefer the band to be shifted a bit lower?
No, it depends on what you like.

As cited earlier in this thread, Aaron Rodgers actually like his ball to be inflated to the maximum allowed. Since his hands are so large, a less inflated ball makes him over-grip and leads to poorer performance.
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Throwing preference aside, certainly lower air pressure is easier to hold onto, so I would guess that other teams would experience boosts in carry-rates with under-inflated balls.

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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/30/sports/football/deflation-experiments-show-patriots-may-have-science-on-their-side-after-all.html

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In a usually obscure profession that has received extraordinary attention during the controversy, some academic and research physicists now concede that they made a crucial error in their initial calculations, using an equation called the ideal gas law.

When that error is corrected, the amount of deflation predicted in moving from room temperature to a 50-degree field is roughly doubled. [Thomas] Healy, a graduate student in mechanical engineering at Carnegie Mellon University in Pittsburgh, went further: He measured the pressure drop in 12 footballs when they were moved from a room at 75 degrees to one at 50 degrees (the approximate temperature on the field in the Colts game).

In the experiment, the deflation of the footballs was close to the larger, correctly calculated value. When Healy moistened the balls to mimic the effects of the rainy weather that day, the pressure dropped even further, close to the deflation of 2 pounds per square inch that the N.F.L. is believed to have found.
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I have to say, I don't normally care about this stuff, but I hope the Patriots eviscerate that other team - who are they playing again?

I love that word - eviscerate. It just sounds so cool. Eviscerate 'em, Tommy!!!

We really need the tax revenue, apart from anything else. We've had a new fire station, police station and library in the last 5 years, and I sure as hell don't want to have to pay for them.
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