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NFL confirms it's looking into the matter of deflated footballs in AFC title game
Topic Started: Jan 19 2015, 09:49 AM (5,910 Views)
Mikhailoh
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No. Deflation never happened. It was a false football operation.
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John D'Oh
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I just got sent to Coventry *again* over lunch for speaking heresy a mere 4 miles from Gillette Stadium.

I think I'm a born troublemaker :lol:
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Mikhailoh
Jan 26 2015, 06:10 AM
They even inflate the weather in Boston.
:lol2:

BTW, don't you want inflated balls for kicking? Deflated balls won't go as far on punts or kickoffs, leading to better returns. Now, NE didn't have to kick much …

Did NE keep two sets of balls?
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KlavierBauer
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That's why they deflated only 11 of 12. One kept at normal for pressure for kicking.

Coincidentally, of course.
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The kicking balls are a whole different group.

So now the question is will the 'attendant' take the fall. probably only if they have him on film in the act.
http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/12232207/nfl-looking-new-england-patriots-locker-room-attendant-deflategate-investigation
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NFL looking at Patriots attendant

The NFL has zeroed in on a New England Patriots locker room attendant who allegedly took the AFC Championship Game balls from the officials' locker room to another area on the way to the field, Fox Sports reported, citing sources.

According to Fox Sports, the league has interviewed him and has video.

The league is still gauging if any wrongdoing occurred, but he is a strong person of interest, according to the report.

Meanwhile, Ted Wells, the investigator hired by the NFL, said Monday that he expects his investigation to last at least several more weeks.

"We are following customary investigative procedures and no one should draw any conclusions about the sequence of interviews or any other steps, all of which are part of the process of doing a thorough and fair investigation," Wells said in a statement.

In a news conference on Thursday that lasted a little more than 30 minutes, Patriots quarterback Tom Brady detailed how he selected 24 footballs for referees to inspect before Sunday's AFC Championship Game against the Indianapolis Colts and said he "didn't alter the ball in any way."

The NFL found that 11 of the Patriots' 12 game balls from their 45-7 win were inflated significantly below the NFL's requirements, league sources involved and familiar with the investigation of Sunday's game told ESPN's Chris Mortensen.

The NFL on Friday released a statement on their investigation, saying they had conducted nearly 40 interviews to that point. Patriots wide receiver Matthew Slater said Saturday that the NFL Players Association has advised Patriots players not to discuss the ongoing investigation.

Also on Saturday, Belichick detailed the organization's preparation process and suggested that weather conditions may have affected the air pressure in the footballs. The longtime Patriots coach emotionally defended his team, saying, "We did everything as right as we can do it."



The story about the attendant reminds me of the Snow Plow Game in 1982. After the game they wanted to punish the guy who drove the plow for giving an unfair advantage to the Patriots. But it turns out he was already a convict in jail serving time in a work detail that plowed the field for the game. So he was already locked up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAwOLaZUh-k





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This just turned a corner and is headed into "Oh Crapville" at 120 MPH.

http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2015/01/ballghazi_the_new_england_patriots_lose_an_insanely_low_number_of_fumbles.html
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That was where I thought it would have the most impact too, not just the passing game.
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So, who's going to be the fall guy, and how much did he get paid to STFU?
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I read the statistical analysis on the fumbles on a science site a couple days ago and it was pretty impressive. The data don't lie.
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Jan 26 2015, 04:17 PM
I read the statistical analysis on the fumbles on a science site a couple days ago and it was pretty impressive. The data don't lie.
Reminded me of Freakonomics.
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Jan 26 2015, 04:17 PM
I read the statistical analysis on the fumbles on a science site a couple days ago and it was pretty impressive. The data don't lie.

But the people presenting it do.

Nearly impossible hahahahah

http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/fumbles-per-game
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Jan 26 2015, 04:17 PM
The data don't lie.
Now that's really funny. There's lies, there's damn lies and...well, you know the rest.
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It is nearly impossible to never hit the game with multiple fumbles, Copper. I think that's the point of the original article.
Per-game it probably plays out ok - but to never have the "bad luck" to have some fumbles shouldn't hold up over time. It's statistically troubling, hence the data analysis.
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Jan 26 2015, 05:51 PM
It is nearly impossible to never hit the game with multiple fumbles, Copper. I think that's the point of the original article.
Per-game it probably plays out ok - but to never have the "bad luck" to have some fumbles shouldn't hold up over time. It's statistically troubling, hence the data analysis.
What kind of morons run the NFL if this kind of thing has really been going on for a long time with just one team cheating like this?

It doesn't make sense that it would be allowed to continue, or that it would go undetected.
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Yeah, I dunno.
I don't know that they're the only one, either.
Perhaps other teams haven't been as successful with their cheating.
Some cheaters might not prosper.
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Jan 26 2015, 05:51 PM
It is nearly impossible to never hit the game with multiple fumbles, Copper. I think that's the point of the original article.

Huh?

The Patriots fumble statistics were good, not the best, and similar to many other teams.

"Nearly impossible" isn't even close.

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KlavierBauer
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You're looking at average fumbles per game.
If I carry once and fumble once I still get one fumble per game, but my ratio is 1:1, or 100%.

The initial analysis took this into account, and looked over several seasons.
The statistical likelihood of so many carries without drops is not seen so commonly.
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Jan 26 2015, 06:08 PM

The statistical likelihood of so many carries without drops is not seen so commonly.

Yes it is common.

Look it up.

The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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Looking it up is what started the discussion ...

You then looked up incomplete data (average fumbles per game) to tell an incomplete story.
I said "but include plays run to get a more complete picture" and you're telling me to look it up.

Are you saying these data are inaccurate?
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Wrong statline, Copper. Fumbles per game is irelevant for multiple reasons:

1) It includes special teams. Muffed punts count for many if not most fumbles in a game. As special teams use a differnt ball than the offense, they are irrelevant to the discussion.

2) It does not factor in the number of offensive plays ran. New England ran 10% more offensive plays than Minnesoota, Jacksonville, and San Diego (the other teams under one fumble per game)

3) It includes fumbles successfuly recovered. A player is going to be much more likely to recover their own fumble if the ball is underinflated as it will not bounce as far. New England was 2nd in recovering their own fumbles.

An interesting thing about the stat you posted, though. The other teams that had few fumbles per game were all teams that played in fair weather or in domes. New England is notorious for bad weather conditions yet they fumbled less than once per game.
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An interesting thing about the stat you posted, though. The other teams that had few fumbles per game were all teams that played in fair weather or in domes. New England is notorious for bad weather conditions yet they fumbled less than once per game.


I hadn't considered that point - good catch.
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New England is a good team, good teams don't fumble.

Their performance has not been nearly impossible.

I assume the data is the data. The presentation and headline are questionable.

Very good, almost great maybe but not nearly impossible.

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Jan 26 2015, 07:01 PM
The other teams that had few fumbles per game were all teams that played in fair weather or in domes. New England is notorious for bad weather conditions yet they fumbled less than once per game.

The seven worst teams in fumbles per game

2 in FL
1 in CA
2 in domes
the Panthers and the deadskins

Weather isn't problem
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The data are indeed, the data.

It's pretty clear that all of the other teams playing in the closed system of "NFL" with all other variables feeding fumbles as they do, have a number of 'fumbles lost per offensive plays run' that fall just above or below a linear average.
Then one team falls significantly outside of it. So far outside of it that you have to nearly double the height of the graph to plot their value.
I don't know how you want to define "nearly impossible" - but in statistical mathematics, such an outlier is "nearly impossible" if it's following the same basic variables and rule-sets that the others are. Something must be different to account for the large discrepancy.

You're making it sound like they're just that good, with the data in no way pointing toward something else happening that sets them alone.
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The seven worst teams in fumbles per game

Again - fumbles per game is not a valid measure, unless your goal is to simply show that other teams fumble fewer times per game than the Patriots.
Edited by KlavierBauer, Jan 26 2015, 07:21 PM.
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