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| NFL confirms it's looking into the matter of deflated footballs in AFC title game | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 19 2015, 09:49 AM (5,912 Views) | |
| Jolly | Jan 21 2015, 06:19 PM Post #26 |
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Well somebody had to do it... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78uULNy_1qI#t=17 |
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| Mikhailoh | Jan 22 2015, 06:09 AM Post #27 |
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| John D'Oh | Jan 22 2015, 06:30 AM Post #28 |
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I found yesterday's lunch discussion (with a big bunch of Patriot's fans, obviously) quite amusing. To a man, they all wrote off the entire thing as a storm in a teacup, and generated all sorts of reasons for what happened. When I said it was pretty obvious what happened and rolled my eyes in what I considered to be a highly amusing manner, I was swiftly ostracised from the group. Not for the first time, I might add. I have to say, from a mostly unbiased perspective, I'd be bloody surprised if this sort of thing didn't go on all the time. |
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| Mikhailoh | Jan 22 2015, 09:15 AM Post #29 |
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Evidently there were concerns about under-inflated balls during the Colts-Pats regular season game as well. http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/deflate-gate-patriots-coach-bill-belichick-explanation-inflated/story?id=28398358 |
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| John D'Oh | Jan 22 2015, 09:19 AM Post #30 |
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When they say the balls were checked by weighing them, do they actually mean they measured the pressure? I have a hard time believing that the actual weight would change enough (if at all) due to underinflation - I would imagine them getting wet would have a bigger effect on the overall mass of the ball. |
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| KlavierBauer | Jan 22 2015, 09:22 AM Post #31 |
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There is a regulation weight, and a regulation pressure. So yes, they're weighing them - but they're also measuring the psi on each ball. |
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| John D'Oh | Jan 22 2015, 11:38 AM Post #32 |
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Just a thought - if you fill a football inside a room at 80 degrees and then take it oustide where it's 40 degrees, what happens to the pressure? If I was Bill Belichick, and my star player liked the pressure a bit lower, and it was a cold day, I might just turn the heating up when I filled the balls. Even more odd - why is it that nobody has mentioned this? Well OK, they may have done, I'm not exactly avidly following this story. |
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| Copper | Jan 22 2015, 02:39 PM Post #33 |
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It drops. The outside air pressure would make a difference too. If the air pressure dropped during the game the balls would get harder. If it went up the balls would get softer. Or you could just lower the air pressure in the referees locker room when they measure. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPbE2KSPxuU |
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| John D'Oh | Jan 22 2015, 03:21 PM Post #34 |
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It was a rhetorical question, I'm not a complete idiot I'm thinking this might explain the scandal of the deflated balls. |
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| KlavierBauer | Jan 22 2015, 03:34 PM Post #35 |
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LMAO |
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"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper "He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple | |
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| Renauda | Jan 22 2015, 06:42 PM Post #36 |
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Some years back the NHL had a similar controversy over wizened pucks. |
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| Luke's Dad | Jan 22 2015, 09:40 PM Post #37 |
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Not two pounds per square inch, and it would also have affected the Colts balls as well. Belichek and Brady are already lying. There is not a chance the officials took the balls, rechecked them, re inflated them and checked them several more times during the second half without them knowing. |
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| KlavierBauer | Jan 22 2015, 09:42 PM Post #38 |
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I know it seems like a small detail, but the more I read about this, the more the ethics violation peeves me. It seemed extreme when I first heard it said (was it you, Mik?), but I'm beginning to think Belicheck should be out, for good. I doubt it could ever happen, but they also should be DQd from the Bowl. |
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"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper "He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple | |
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| John D'Oh | Jan 23 2015, 05:10 AM Post #39 |
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Apparently, if you do the sums, it predicts 1.8 psi at least according to this totally unbiased source. If Belichick is smart, and I don't think that's at question, he could conceivably have turned the heating way up when he inflated them, which would increase the effect. |
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| Mikhailoh | Jan 23 2015, 05:42 AM Post #40 |
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But then you would have to wait for the balls to heat up inside as well. Otherwise only the air you added would be affected. |
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| jon-nyc | Jan 23 2015, 06:01 AM Post #41 |
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I'm sure the league specifies the conditions under which they are to be measured. Keep in mind the league itself measuers the pressure for conformance before the game. so they filled them correctly at some point, only to later deflate them. I don't see how they spin this as some accident. |
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| JBryan | Jan 23 2015, 06:10 AM Post #42 |
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Unless the officials did a shoddy job of inspecting them. Brady selected the balls he wanted and they were then sent to the officials. He would naturally select balls that were softer as that is his documented preference. If the officials did not inspect them carefully enough then that would explain the under-inflation. I say all this as someone who most definitely has never been described as a Patriots fan. |
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| Jolly | Jan 23 2015, 06:53 AM Post #43 |
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Football players are quirky about individual prep for a game. For instance, they'll only let one trainer on the staff do their ankle or knee wraps. They'll generally only let one trainer prep their locker with their uniform or select their cleats (different types and lengths of cleats are worn, according to the field and to the conditions). In the case of QB's, only one trainer keeps up with the game balls for the offense - and that ain't me talking, but every QB I've heard interviewed on the subject from Aikman on down. So whether Tom Terrific ordered the balls deflated, or his coach gave the orders, or an over-zealous Patriot staff member was looking for an edge, the Truth is undeniable - somebody on the Pat's side tinkered with the balls. I think everyone is now agreeing on this point. The only question remaining is what level of penalty the league imposes. I think a simple fine will be met with howls of derision. |
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| KlavierBauer | Jan 23 2015, 09:37 AM Post #44 |
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Fines seem meaningless in such a wealthy industry. Cyclists are punished fairly harshly when they cheat, and it's done with banning rather than monetary fines, as the fines would be easy for the teams to cover, and wouldn't actually disincentivize the behavior. |
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"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper "He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple | |
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| Copper | Jan 23 2015, 12:25 PM Post #45 |
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These are the rules that relate to this. There is no mention of atmospheric conditions. Rule 2 The Ball: http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/5_2013_Ball.pdf
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| John D'Oh | Jan 23 2015, 12:29 PM Post #46 |
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A clever coach bends the rules as far as he can, but doesn't break them, and let's face it, Bellichick is smarter than your average NFL'er. |
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| Mikhailoh | Jan 23 2015, 12:36 PM Post #47 |
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Devious is not the same as smart. |
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| Copper | Jan 23 2015, 02:37 PM Post #48 |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| Mikhailoh | Jan 23 2015, 02:48 PM Post #49 |
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I'm not OK with any of those things. I have never heard of the first two. |
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| KlavierBauer | Jan 23 2015, 02:54 PM Post #50 |
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I'm fine banning all involved in all three accounts. |
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