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NFL confirms it's looking into the matter of deflated footballs in AFC title game
Topic Started: Jan 19 2015, 09:49 AM (5,904 Views)
John D'Oh
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May 14 2015, 06:59 PM
Near universal (outside of Cheats fans) opinion, from everything I heard and read today, that parts of the rebuttal would insult the intelligence of any lower primate.
How about the NFL?
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May 15 2015, 10:05 AM
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May 14 2015, 10:57 AM

• "Deflator" used in text messages was a term McNally, John Jastremski would used "to refer to losing weight
They deserve the fine and loss of draft picks for that whopper alone.

Maybe so.

I think the point is that the Wells report jumps to conclusions without evidence and consistently in a way that is negative for the Pats.

So the Pats address each question in their favor. Of course.

Without evidence one guy's imagination is as good as the other's.

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Without evidence?

That's really funny. Evidence is all anybody ever has. For anything.
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Luke's Dad
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This has a very real chance of getting very nasty.
The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it.
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Horace
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The money will talk. At some point it will be subdued. This is rich people fighting with each other. They're idiots, as we all are. But they know money.
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True, but Kraft has to understand there are 31 other teams, all owned by rich people.

The best course is to appeal the suspension, pay the money and thank God you didn't get what the Saints got. With Brady out for only four games, the Pats still stand a very good chance of making the play-offs.

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lol
The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it.
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What I don't understand is why they don't just ask Brian Williams? He was there the whole time.
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http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/patriots_nfl/the_blitz/2015/05/robert_kraft_patriots_will_reluctantly_accept_nfl_sanctions

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Robert Kraft: Patriots will 'reluctantly' accept NFL sanctions

SAN FRANCISCO - Patriots owner Robert Kraft said today he will not appeal the NFL's sanctions of the Patriots in the Deflategate saga and he will "reluctantly" accept the punishment doled out by commissioner Roger Goodell and NFL VP of football operations Troy Vincent.

Kraft, speaking at the NFL owners meetings, said he wants to defer to Goodell and reaffirmed his faith in Goodell’s leadership of the league.

The Patriots were stripped of first- and fourth-round draft picks, fined $1 million and had Tom Brady suspended four games. The NFLPA already announced it will appeal Brady's suspension.

“Although I might disagree in what is decided I do have respect for the commissioner,” Kraft said, adding he believes Goodell is doing what he believes is right for the NFL.

"He is doing what he perceives is in the best interest of the full 32," Kraft said.

Kraft said acting in the best interest of the NFL - rather than merely in the interest of the Patriots - was important to him.
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George K
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Tom Brady destroyed his cellphone - says he does it all the time. I mean, don't we all do that, especially after four months?
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Tom Brady's four-game suspension for the DeflateGate scandal was upheld by NFL commissioner Roger Goodell, in part because Brady deliberately destroyed his cell phone, in spite of the fact that the NFL's investigation had requested the phone.

From the NFL's official statement:
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On or shortly before March 6, the day that Tom Brady met with independent investigator Ted Wells and his colleagues, Brady directed that the cell phone he had used for the prior four months be destroyed. He did so even though he was aware that the investigators had requested access to text messages and other electronic information that had been stored on that phone. During the four months that the cell phone was in use, Brady had exchanged nearly 10,000 text messages, none of which can now be retrieved from that device. The destruction of the cell phone was not disclosed until June 18, almost four months after the investigators had first sought electronic information from Brady.

While destroying evidence isn't an admission of a guilt, it was probably a big red flag to Goodell. After all, the initial punishment handed out to Brady and the Patriots seemed to stem more from their failure to cooperate with the investigation than their actual breaking of the NFL's rules. However, Brady argued that he wasn't intentionally avoiding the league's investigation when he destroyed his phone: He just destroys his phone a lot:
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Brady communicated to the commissioner that he routinely destroys his phone for security reasons.

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I'm sure Mr. Brady didn't want the NFL, or anyone else, to see all of his private information including information that had nothing to do with football PSIs. I doubt that he had taken an oath concerning this information.

Hillary Clinton and Lois Lerner were dealing with official government information.

The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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Jul 29 2015, 07:05 AM
I'm sure Mr. Brady didn't want the NFL, or anyone else, to see all of his private information including information that had nothing to do with football PSIs.
Yeah, I bet that was it. Sexting to Gisele and what-not.
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Mr. Brady's story

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I am very disappointed by the NFL’s decision to uphold the 4 game suspension against me. I did nothing wrong, and no one in the Patriots organization did either.


Despite submitting to hours of testimony over the past 6 months, it is disappointing that the Commissioner upheld my suspension based upon a standard that it was “probable” that I was “generally aware” of misconduct. The fact is that neither I, nor any equipment person, did anything of which we have been accused. He dismissed my hours of testimony and it is disappointing that he found it unreliable.

I also disagree with yesterdays narrative surrounding my cellphone. I replaced my broken Samsung phone with a new iPhone 6 AFTER my attorneys made it clear to the NFL that my actual phone device would not be subjected to investigation under ANY circumstances. As a member of a union, I was under no obligation to set a new precedent going forward, nor was I made aware at any time during Mr. Wells investigation, that failing to subject my cell phone to investigation would result in ANY discipline.

Most importantly, I have never written, texted, emailed to anybody at anytime, anything related to football air pressure before this issue was raised at the AFC Championship game in January. To suggest that I destroyed a phone to avoid giving the NFL information it requested is completely wrong.

To try and reconcile the record and fully cooperate with the investigation after I was disciplined in May, we turned over detailed pages of cell phone records and all of the emails that Mr. Wells requested. We even contacted the phone company to see if there was any possible way we could retrieve any/all of the actual text messages from my old phone. In short, we exhausted every possibility to give the NFL everything we could and offered to go thru the identity for every text and phone call during the relevant time. Regardless, the NFL knows that Mr. Wells already had ALL relevant communications with Patriots personnel that either Mr. Wells saw or that I was questioned about in my appeal hearing. There is no “smoking gun” and this controversy is manufactured to distract from the fact they have zero evidence of wrongdoing.

I authorized the NFLPA to make a settlement offer to the NFL so that we could avoid going to court and put this inconsequential issue behind us as we move forward into this season. The discipline was upheld without any counter offer. I respect the Commissioners authority, but he also has to respect the CBA and my rights as a private citizen. I will not allow my unfair discipline to become a precedent for other NFL players without a fight.

Lastly, I am overwhelmed and humbled by the support of family, friends and our fans who have supported me since the false accusations were made after the AFC Championship game. I look forward to the opportunity to resume playing with my teammates and winning more games for the New England Patriots.


The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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Jul 29 2015, 08:58 AM
Mr. Brady's story
Indeed.
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Shocking.
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Almost nobody without clear bias towards the Patriots believes lil' cheatin' Tommy.
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Pete Rose syndrome - 'I'm huge , I can beat this'.

Well, no, you can't. He'd have been better off not appealing the suspensions. Hubris.
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I don't care about football, but I completely support Brady's refusal to let the NFL inspect his personal phone. No trade group should have the power to force inspection on individual member's employee's personal phones.
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Mr. Brady has no more obligation to self-incriminate than Ms. Clinton.


The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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Jul 30 2015, 03:53 AM
I don't care about football, but I completely support Brady's refusal to let the NFL inspect his personal phone. No trade group should have the power to force inspection on individual member's employee's personal phones.
If they could force it, they would have. That he refused is proof that they couldn't, and never tried to, force it.

Lil' cheatin' Tommy is gonna have to bear the consequences of the fact that everybody knows why he exercised his right to refuse, though.
As a good person, I implore you to do as I, a good person, do. Be good. Do NOT be bad. If you see bad, end bad. End it in yourself, and end it in others. By any means necessary, the good must conquer the bad. Good people know this. Do you know this? Are you good?
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Jul 30 2015, 05:59 AM
Mr. Brady has no more obligation to self-incriminate
That's true. He's got a month of Sundays to sit home and enjoy his right to not self incriminate.
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Did Brady order the footballs to be deflated? Probably.

Did the NFL prove this? No.

Do I hope this goes to court in the off chance that Goodell gets spanked? Most definitely.
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