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Re: Ayn Rand
Topic Started: Dec 24 2014, 09:40 AM (1,374 Views)
Klaus
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Axtremus
Dec 26 2014, 06:37 PM
Klaus
Dec 26 2014, 01:44 PM
This thread seems to be a good example of what the logicians call ex contradictione quodlibet: The bible is contradictory and hence one can support many contradicting positions by selective quoting of the bible. One can of course try to disambiguate by superimposing some extra structure (such as: New testament overrides Old testament, or relaxing propositions by considering the historical context), but there seems to be no consensus at all about what exactly that extra structure is.
Much harder to selectively quote the Standard Model to support contradictory positions, eh?

Hey Klaus, can you train your Phyton stuff on Ayn Rand's writings and the Bible (say, the New International version) and generate some statistics like you for TNCR posts?

May be machine learning can discern some objective structures from all that text. ;)
What kinds of contradictions in the standard model are you talking about? There is a well-known inconsistency with general relativity, but everybody knows that the standard model is not the final word.

One can easily apply text analysis to Ayn Rand or the bible, but one would need a more concrete question to develop an algorithm.
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Dec 26 2014, 09:11 PM
Interesting. So I take it there was no inalienable right to property in Judea in those times? Did anything change under the Greeks and Romans with regard to property rights?
The rationale was that the land could not be truly owned by any human; it all belonged to God, who had apportioned and entrusted it to the various tribes and clans in a way intended to provided for all the people. That apportionment was intended to assure that the basic needs for all would be provided for, that any financial setback that caused someone to sell their land would be relatively temporary, and that within a relatively short order, the economic scales would be reset, to enable those who were on the bottom to get a fresh start. The only scriptural exception to this policy was the sale of homes within the city, which could be sold permanently - since the urban land didn't produce food, it wasn't as critical to the overall provision and good.

On the subject of food, there was also a biblical stipulation that farmers were not to harvest their crops completely. They were instructed, the scriptures say by God, to leave the crops at the edges of the fields there for the poor to harvest. Same with the main body of the fields; if they dropped anything or missed it on the first pass, they were to leave it and allow the poor to take it. This is the process called "gleaning."
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I'm sure the poor had a really swell life then, eating off the edge of the fields and whatever was dropped. Not like today when they have to wait for the deposit on their debit cards to go to the grocery. :lol2:
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This is the process called "gleaning."


Well, that's the wiki of it, but I don't think of it that way. In OT or modern times, a field may not be harvested all at one time. The harvest may require multiple pickings.

To me, gleaning comes into effect when a crop starts to become more trouble than it's worth for the farmer. It's things like the second picking of corn, when you pull the nubbins. Or the last couple of pickings of peas. Or the fact that cotton has quite a few bolls come in late.

There is still good product in the field, it just requires more work to harvest.
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Dec 27 2014, 06:35 AM
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This is the process called "gleaning."


Well, that's the wiki of it, but I don't think of it that way. In OT or modern times, a field may not be harvested all at one time. The harvest may require multiple pickings.

To me, gleaning comes into effect when a crop starts to become more trouble than it's worth for the farmer. It's things like the second picking of corn, when you pull the nubbins. Or the last couple of pickings of peas. Or the fact that cotton has quite a few bolls come in late.

There is still good product in the field, it just requires more work to harvest.
Ah, a good old cost/benefit analysis the capitalists can understand. :)
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Mikhailoh
Dec 27 2014, 06:12 AM
I'm sure the poor had a really swell life then, eating off the edge of the fields and whatever was dropped. Not like today when they have to wait for the deposit on their debit cards to go to the grocery. :lol2:
It seems to me Ayn Rand would object to both.
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