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There's an election coming up; Not that you'd know it from watching the networks
Topic Started: Oct 22 2014, 04:32 PM (678 Views)
George K
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Aqua Letifer
Oct 23 2014, 06:51 AM
George, you can't. You just can't cherry-pick and be objective. The two are mutually exclusive.
I get that.

The point that I'm trying to make - obviously unsuccessfully - which Jolly reiterates, is that BROADCAST news is ignoring the mid-term elections this year.

In 2006 they did not.

Twenty three million people get their news from those three sources. By contrast, about 5.5 million get their news from ALL cable news networks: source. If it's not on the news, it doesn't exist.

THAT's the point.

Why is that so hard?
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George K
Oct 23 2014, 07:17 AM
Aqua Letifer
Oct 23 2014, 06:51 AM
George, you can't. You just can't cherry-pick and be objective. The two are mutually exclusive.
I get that.

The point that I'm trying to make - obviously unsuccessfully - which Jolly reiterates, is that BROADCAST news is ignoring the mid-term elections this year.

In 2006 they did not.

Twenty three million people get their news from those three sources. By contrast, about 5.5 million get their news from ALL cable news networks: source. If it's not on the news, it doesn't exist.

THAT's the point.

Why is that so hard?
It's not hard, but it's a mighty blunt point to be wielding around.

23 million people is about 7% of the U.S. population. 5.5 million is about one and a half.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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Jolly
Oct 23 2014, 07:03 AM
At the end of the day, viewership numbers for the network newscasts dwarf that of CNN or FOX News.
Not from what I see.

Broadcast news shows like Face the Nation and Meet the Press get about twice as many viewers as Fox News Sunday. Their numbers are higher, but they don't exactly dwarf the conservative competition.
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George K
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Oct 23 2014, 07:37 AM
Broadcast news shows like Face the Nation and Meet the Press get about twice as many viewers as Fox News Sunday. Their numbers are higher, but they don't exactly dwarf the conservative competition.
Now who's cherry picking?

Only Sunday shows?
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George K
Oct 23 2014, 07:41 AM
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Oct 23 2014, 07:37 AM
Broadcast news shows like Face the Nation and Meet the Press get about twice as many viewers as Fox News Sunday. Their numbers are higher, but they don't exactly dwarf the conservative competition.
Now who's cherry picking?

Only Sunday shows?
You're right, those numbers are seriously misleading.

Some better ones showing total viewership:

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Whoa! If you take everyone else in America off that graph the difference between Fox and the other three would look a lot greater not being scaled to everyone else in America.
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George K
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Thanks for pointing out that Fox is insignificant.

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JBryan
Oct 23 2014, 08:11 AM
Whoa! If you take everyone else in America off that graph the difference between Fox and the other three would look a lot greater not being scaled to everyone else in America.
But who gives a crap because nobody watches broadcast television, and of that pool of nobody, Fox News gets about a third of the total viewership.
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George K
Oct 23 2014, 08:11 AM
Thanks for pointing out that Fox is insignificant.

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No problem.

Neither is broadcast news.
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George K
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My local Fox station (WFLD) does news once a day - at 9PM. Otherwise they're filled with carp like TMZ and Dr. Oz.

If you're going to make comparisons among stations, try to stick to like stations: Broadcast to Broadcast, Cable to Cable.

Fox has no significant broadcast presence in Chicago, at least as far as news goes.

Broadcast news out paces cable news by a factor of about 4 to 1.
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Why this obsession with comparing the stations, George? I'm being serious: what do you really think these numbers are saying? Are you suggesting the sneaky liberals are trying to pull a fast one by not covering the elections? How does this actually look inside the editorial meetings?

"Dave, I want your reporters to not cover the midterm elections."
"Is it because nobody gives a crap* about Congress right now?"
"No, it's either because we don't like conservatives or we don't want seven percent of America's population to know whether or not the conservatives have a shot."

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What's the thesis here? Why do you think they're not covering the elections and more to the point, why does it matter at all?
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Oct 23 2014, 09:01 AM
Why this obsession with comparing the stations, George? I'm being serious: what do you really think these numbers are saying? Are you suggesting the sneaky liberals are trying to pull a fast one by not covering the elections? How does this actually look inside the editorial meetings?

"Dave, I want your reporters to not cover the midterm elections."
"Is it because nobody gives a crap* about Congress right now?"
"No, it's either because we don't like conservatives or we don't want seven percent of America's population to know whether or not the conservatives have a shot."

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What's the thesis here? Why do you think they're not covering the elections and more to the point, why does it matter at all?
They are not covering the election because they know midterms favor the party not in the Whitehouse. The more attention drawn to the elections, the better chance that more Americans will vote.

And we don't want that, now do we?
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George K
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First of all, comparing the stations began with the idea that there was "cherry picking" going on. I'm not the one who brought it up. Let's stick to one station: ABC.

Secondly, no, I don't think there's a nefarious conspiracy going on in the editorial meetings. It's more subtle than that. It's the Pauline Kael mentality.

Again, I'm looking for a simple explanation why ABC covered the midterms in 2006 with over 35 stories, and the 2014 elections with none. Not one.

Can you explain that?
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Jolly
Oct 23 2014, 09:09 AM
Aqua Letifer
Oct 23 2014, 09:01 AM
Why this obsession with comparing the stations, George? I'm being serious: what do you really think these numbers are saying? Are you suggesting the sneaky liberals are trying to pull a fast one by not covering the elections? How does this actually look inside the editorial meetings?

"Dave, I want your reporters to not cover the midterm elections."
"Is it because nobody gives a crap* about Congress right now?"
"No, it's either because we don't like conservatives or we don't want seven percent of America's population to know whether or not the conservatives have a shot."

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What's the thesis here? Why do you think they're not covering the elections and more to the point, why does it matter at all?
They are not covering the election because they know midterms favor the party not in the Whitehouse. The more attention drawn to the elections, the better chance that more Americans will vote.

And we don't want that, now do we?
So your belief is that (1) there's a liberal media cabal, (2) everyone working in liberal media wants to influence U.S. elections, (3) nobody over there can see that they don't have the power to do so because again, for the third time now, total broadcast news viewership constitutes seven percent of the U.S. population, and so the reporters, the news editors, the show producers, the researchers and the executives are all not covering the November elections because they don't want Americans to vote.

See this is why this place gives me high blood pressure. Instead of Jodi's paintings and dol's work at her school we're left with banning Muslims and the liberal media conspiracy to keep people from voting.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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George K
Oct 23 2014, 09:13 AM
Again, I'm looking for a simple explanation why ABC covered the midterms in 2006 with over 35 stories, and the 2014 elections with none. Not one.

Can you explain that?
I can only explain so many times why it doesn't matter, at all, for anyone.

And because of that I don't much care if ABC starts setting elephants on fire in their executive offices.
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Jolly
Oct 23 2014, 05:41 AM
Sometimes, y'all's inherit anti-Fox bias makes y'all dumber than a bag of hammers.

George's graphic is illustrating the number of stories on BROADCAST NEWS. Fox, MSNBC, CNN, etc., are not broadcast news.
I had no idea there was a difference. I grew up in a country with no cable, and 4 pretty decent TV channels. I came here, 100 channels of sh!t interspersed with advertisements.

TV is TV as far as I'm concerned.

Last time I visited, the UK had about 30 channels on free-to-view. Most of them were sh!t, so they're clearly catching up.
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Edit - sorry, I messed up
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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George K
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My blood pressure is fine.

I take Altace!
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George K
Oct 23 2014, 09:31 AM
I take Altace!
Some common side effects of Altace are headache, cough, dizziness, malaise, and vomiting, and stomach discomfort.

Altace apparently has a lot in common with TNCR.
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George K
Oct 23 2014, 09:31 AM
My blood pressure is fine.

I take Altace!
^_^

I'd ask you to hook me up wit somma dat, but I understand there are laws about that sort of thing.
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Jolly
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Oct 23 2014, 09:22 AM
Jolly
Oct 23 2014, 09:09 AM
Aqua Letifer
Oct 23 2014, 09:01 AM
Why this obsession with comparing the stations, George? I'm being serious: what do you really think these numbers are saying? Are you suggesting the sneaky liberals are trying to pull a fast one by not covering the elections? How does this actually look inside the editorial meetings?

"Dave, I want your reporters to not cover the midterm elections."
"Is it because nobody gives a crap* about Congress right now?"
"No, it's either because we don't like conservatives or we don't want seven percent of America's population to know whether or not the conservatives have a shot."

* Posted Image

What's the thesis here? Why do you think they're not covering the elections and more to the point, why does it matter at all?
They are not covering the election because they know midterms favor the party not in the Whitehouse. The more attention drawn to the elections, the better chance that more Americans will vote.

And we don't want that, now do we?
So your belief is that (1) there's a liberal media cabal, (2) everyone working in liberal media wants to influence U.S. elections, (3) nobody over there can see that they don't have the power to do so because again, for the third time now, total broadcast news viewership constitutes seven percent of the U.S. population, and so the reporters, the news editors, the show producers, the researchers and the executives are all not covering the November elections because they don't want Americans to vote.

See this is why this place gives me high blood pressure. Instead of Jodi's paintings and dol's work at her school we're left with banning Muslims and the liberal media conspiracy to keep people from voting.
I believe most of the MSM on the East Coast has a decidedly liberal bent. Now, whether that is due to them being journalism majors and suffering a life-long feeling of envy against other professions that actually make money for the majority of their practitioners, thereby causing some unknown well-spring of socialism, or it's simply a function of geography and the rule of idiotic senior editors, I don't know. Or maybe it's just a bad case of GLWS (Grey Lady Wannabe Syndrome).

Regardless, res ipsa loquitur.

Anybody with half of a functioning brain can tell the three major broadcast news divisions favor the Left in this country as opposed to their opposition. These may be acts of omission or commission, but they are acts, nonetheless.

The bias is easily proven and has been done so many times. The only question left is whether that bias is conscious or unconscious. I believe it is conscious, but that is almost impossible to prove.
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Oct 23 2014, 11:04 AM
I believe most of the MSM on the East Coast has a decidedly liberal bent. Now, whether that is due to them being journalism majors and suffering a life-long feeling of envy against other professions that actually make money for the majority of their practitioners, thereby causing some unknown well-spring of socialism, or it's simply a function of geography and the rule of idiotic senior editors, I don't know. Or maybe it's just a bad case of GLWS (Grey Lady Wannabe Syndrome).

Regardless, res ipsa loquitur.
Do you think it's envy against other professions that causes the liberal journalists to rig the U.S. elections or is it the Grey Lady Wannabe Syndrome?

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Regardless, res ipsa loquitur.

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When liberals are dirt poor, they're described as ignorant uneducated money-grubbing spongers.

When liberals are well-educated, they're described as envious pseudo-intellectuals, educated beyond their intelligence.

When liberals are rich, they're branded as elitist snobs who are in a dastardly cabal intent on bringing down real America


Make up your mind, Real America! :lol:
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John D'Oh
Oct 23 2014, 12:00 PM
When liberals are dirt poor, they're described as ignorant uneducated money-grubbing spongers.

When liberals are well-educated, they're described as envious pseudo-intellectuals, educated beyond their intelligence.

When liberals are rich, they're branded as elitist snobs who are in a dastardly cabal intent on bringing down real America
Uh huh... yep...

Pretty well sums it up, I'd say. :smooch:
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