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Topic Started: Oct 18 2014, 10:36 AM (390 Views)
Axtremus
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HOLY CARP!!!
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http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/10/seattle-micro-housing-boom-111874.html

About "micro housing" -- tiny apartments to cater to the millennials.
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Jolly
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Trendy idiots.

I've looked a lot at the small house movement. The problem with small houses, is that in order to make them as livable as possible, you have to do a lot of built-ins and creative thinking. The problem with that, is cost.

It is possible to build something a bit more conventional, and a bit bigger and just as livable for the same money or less.
The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros
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Mikhailoh
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Fine for temporary, not long term.
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brenda
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Not enough room for wool, ergo not livable. :lol:
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~A.A. Milne
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Axtremus
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HOLY CARP!!!
Jolly
Oct 18 2014, 11:16 AM
I've looked a lot at the small house movement. The problem with small houses, is that in order to make them as livable as possible, you have to do a lot of built-ins and creative thinking. The problem with that, is cost.

It is possible to build something a bit more conventional, and a bit bigger and just as livable for the same money or less.
Certain a valid argument. Though I look at it as cost of construction vs. cost of the real-estate/space itself (which is a function of location) ...

As long as the marginal cost of constructing "small" living quarters is more than offset by the marginal cost of the real-estate space itself (this likelier to be true in city centers than rural areas), the "small house" movement will have a place in the economy.

Besides, from the residents' perspectives, it's not just that cost of the construction or the cost of the space/real-estate, but also the cost of commuting and the cost of being with their friends and the cost of going to their favorite hangouts (bars, clubs, theaters, eateries, whatever). Throw in the cost of transportation to get around town, and you have another offset for the added construction cost.
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Jolly
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Axtremus
Oct 18 2014, 11:38 AM
Jolly
Oct 18 2014, 11:16 AM
I've looked a lot at the small house movement. The problem with small houses, is that in order to make them as livable as possible, you have to do a lot of built-ins and creative thinking. The problem with that, is cost.

It is possible to build something a bit more conventional, and a bit bigger and just as livable for the same money or less.
Certain a valid argument. Though I look at it as cost of construction vs. cost of the real-estate/space itself (which is a function of location) ...

As long as the marginal cost of constructing "small" living quarters is more than offset by the marginal cost of the real-estate space itself (this likelier to be true in city centers than rural areas), the "small house" movement will have a place in the economy.

Besides, from the residents' perspectives, it's not just that cost of the construction or the cost of the space/real-estate, but also the cost of commuting and the cost of being with their friends and the cost of going to their favorite hangouts (bars, clubs, theaters, eateries, whatever). Throw in the cost of transportation to get around town, and you have another offset for the added construction cost.
Kinda hard to impress a young lady when you're living in a broom closet. Tough to have your buds over to watch a ball game. Not much, if any room to have an overnight guest or a pet.

Even 400 sqft with a murphy bed and a kitchenette would be sumptuous next to micro-living.
The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros
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Axtremus
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Kinda hard to impress a young lady when you're living in a broom closet. Tough to have your buds over to watch a ball game. Not much, if any room to have an overnight guest or a pet.
Don't think you're looking at this through the younger age groups' lenses.

If a young lady just want to have a little fun, it is not necessary that she insists said fun be had only with young men with means. Watching a ball game? You're talking about a generation that barely watches TV and happy just to catch the replays of highlights on their phones. Overnight guest or a pet? A sleeping bag can take of the occasional buddy who needs to crash at your place for whatever reason. A pet lizard needs less space than a coffee maker.

I wish there are young people who can chime in on how they live ... though TNCR probably does not have any younger-than-30 regular posters now.
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I could easily live in such a place. Jolly does make good points but by and large I wouldn't give a crap. Just gimmie enough shelf space and I'm good.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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Trendy idiots.
The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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AlbertaCrude
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If a person wants micro living they should just buy a truck and box camper. They can live in the box of their truck in a truly mobile home.
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Axtremus
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AlbertaCrude
Oct 19 2014, 07:12 AM
If a person wants micro living they should just buy a truck and box camper. They can live in the box of their truck in a truly mobile home.
Solving utility connectivity issues aside (water, sewer, gas/electricity), the dwelling units also need to be "stackable" or not too many would fit in the city.
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Axtremus
Oct 19 2014, 07:18 AM
would fit in the city.

Who says cities have to remain in the same place. You are so stuck in your old-man ideas.
The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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Jolly
Oct 18 2014, 11:16 AM
Trendy idiots.

I've looked a lot at the small house movement. The problem with small houses, is that in order to make them as livable as possible, you have to do a lot of built-ins and creative thinking. The problem with that, is cost.

It is possible to build something a bit more conventional, and a bit bigger and just as livable for the same money or less.
Depends on where you are.

The biggest advantage (to the developer) to building small houses in most areas is that you can get more of them on the land and utility feeds are shorter. Built-ins are relatively inexpensive in the grand scheme unless the land is very cheap indeed and utilities are paid for by someone else.
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Jolly
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Oct 19 2014, 02:47 PM
Jolly
Oct 18 2014, 11:16 AM
Trendy idiots.

I've looked a lot at the small house movement. The problem with small houses, is that in order to make them as livable as possible, you have to do a lot of built-ins and creative thinking. The problem with that, is cost.

It is possible to build something a bit more conventional, and a bit bigger and just as livable for the same money or less.
Depends on where you are.

The biggest advantage (to the developer) to building small houses in most areas is that you can get more of them on the land and utility feeds are shorter. Built-ins are relatively inexpensive in the grand scheme unless the land is very cheap indeed and utilities are paid for by someone else.
First we have to define small houses.

Ax is talking about something 140 sqft. I'm talking about stuff that small and even up to around twice as big.

I don't see that working.

Now, if we're talking small houses in the neighborhood of 1000 sqft or so, I can certainly see that as single family dwellings.
The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros
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JBryan
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10' x 14' is not enough space. It is not even as big as my office. Where will I put my grand piano?
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Mikhailoh
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That's now a loft. You sleep on top of it.
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Mikhailoh
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
But now that you mention it it does seem a bit of a silly conversation for this lot with our bigass pianos. :lol2:
Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball
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AlbertaCrude
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JBryan
Oct 20 2014, 06:11 AM
10' x 14' is not enough space. It is not even as big as my office. Where will I put my grand piano?
You would need to get a 1 ton with dualies.
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big al
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Seattle City Council approves restrictions on micro-apartments

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Riley
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HOLY CARP!!!
Axtremus
Oct 19 2014, 05:26 AM
I wish there are young people who can chime in on how they live ... though TNCR probably does not have any younger-than-30 regular posters now.
Either you don't consider me a regular or you think I'm over 30. Not sure which would offend me more. ;)

And I would have no problem living in a place like that.
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Double-post.
We're all mad here!
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Riley
Oct 20 2014, 05:14 PM
Axtremus
Oct 19 2014, 05:26 AM
I wish there are young people who can chime in on how they live ... though TNCR probably does not have any younger-than-30 regular posters now.
Either you don't consider me a regular or you think I'm over 30. Not sure which would offend me more. ;)

And I would have no problem living in a place like that.
I'm under thirty too, but probably not enough post count to be called a regular. :(

We just bought a three-bedroom with a furnished basement, so no real desire to live in micro quarters. If it was just me, though? I'd need room for my books, not much else.
We're all mad here!
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