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Pentagon says war against ISIS will take years
Topic Started: Oct 18 2014, 04:21 AM (472 Views)
Mikhailoh
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In his first public overview of the campaign he leads from the Florida headquarters of U.S. Central Command, Army Gen. Lloyd Austin cautioned against expecting quick progress. He said he cannot predict how long it will take to right a wobbly Iraqi army and build a viable opposition ground force in Syria.

"The campaign to destroy ISIL will take time, and there will be occasional setbacks along the way," Austin told a Pentagon news conference, "particularly in these early stages of the campaign as we coach and mentor a force (in Iraq) that is actively working to regenerate capability after years of neglect and poor leadership."

While hammering the jihadists daily from the air, the U.S. military is talking of a years-long effort - one that will require more than aerial bombardment, will show results only gradually and may eventually call for a more aggressive use of U.S. military advisers in Iraq.

"This isn't going to get solved through 18 airstrikes around a particular town in a particular place in Syria. It's going to take a long time," the Pentagon press secretary, Rear Adm. John Kirby, said Thursday, referring to a recent concentration of American airstrikes on the Syrian city of Kobani, near the Turkish border.


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What? The White House always has been and always will be the ultimate on the job training scenario.

And we should make it so they can't be in there for 8 full years. One, six year term, then you're done.

The Senate and House should be the same except with two overlapping, three year terms if they are re-elected for a second term. You're done. Go home. Get a real job. Thanks for your service.
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I wondered whether Mik was calling for a return to the FDR years - he certainly cleared up a major war a lot more quickly than the last two eejits have managed.
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Mikhailoh
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No. I am posting this because it points up what we said in 2008 - Obama has no idea what he is doing. If he did we never would have pulled out of Iraq. More empty promises of peace, more lies sold to the American people.
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Mikhailoh
Oct 19 2014, 09:28 AM
No. I am posting this because it points up what we said in 2008 - Obama has no idea what he is doing. If he did we never would have pulled out of Iraq. More empty promises of peace, more lies sold to the American people.
The voters voted Obama in to pull the troops out of Iraq. It's good that he did.

Empty promises of peace -- like the lies that Americans will be greeted as "liberators" and that democracies will flourish in the region if we just take out the dictators, along with the whole WMD stories ... yeah, those lies were sold to the American people to get into Iraq.
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Obama supporters always have to deflect and go to the past because they have no present record to stand on.
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Mikhailoh
Oct 19 2014, 09:36 AM
Obama supporters always have to deflect and go to the past because they have no present record to stand on.
The present record is mostly good.

The capitalistic free market is essentially saved from the 2008 crisis
Healthcare insurance coverage extended to more Americans
No more pre-existing condition exclusion
We got Osama
DJIA and S&P500 at record highs
Unemployment rate is down below 6%
DOMA repealed, same-sex union legal in half the states
Troops are largely out of Iraq and Afghanistan

If I am dissatisfied with anything, I'd say I'm dissatisfied with the trend with regards to government invasion of privacy, the erosion of civil liberties, and the widening wealth gap.

Still, the good materially outweighs the bad as far as the present records are concerned.
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An assessment from a veteran foreign affairs journalist:

The ISIS mission is Obama's real red line

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Mikhailoh
Oct 19 2014, 09:36 AM
Obama supporters always have to deflect and go to the past because they have no present record to stand on.
I'm not an Obama supporter, and the main difference to my mind between recent administrations is that we've replaced going in the wrong direction to going in no direction.

Obviously I can't speak for everyone, but I suspect most of us felt safer when Clinton was president, and the only thing the politicos seemed to be worrying about were his cigar collection and dry cleaning bills.
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Oct 19 2014, 09:51 AM

Still, the good materially outweighs the bad as far as the present records are concerned.

There is no good.

His selfish lies have destroyed trust at home and around the world. That is the hallmark of his term.

He is simply a selfish 2-bit thug.
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Oct 19 2014, 11:33 AM
His selfish lies have destroyed trust at home and around the world. That is the hallmark of his term.
Do you think the US was loved and trusted under the last bloke?
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Exactly, as mik said.

And yes, trust was certainly much higher with any and all previous blokes.

Mr. Obama is a liar.
The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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John D'Oh
Oct 19 2014, 10:36 AM
Mikhailoh
Oct 19 2014, 09:36 AM
Obama supporters always have to deflect and go to the past because they have no present record to stand on.
I'm not an Obama supporter, and the main difference to my mind between recent administrations is that we've replaced going in the wrong direction to going in no direction.

Obviously I can't speak for everyone, but I suspect most of us felt safer when Clinton was president, and the only thing the politicos seemed to be worrying about were his cigar collection and dry cleaning bills.
Have to agree. The Bush administration wanted to take anti-terrorism off the agenda - being the Anti-Clinton. In the face of increased terrorist activities, the White House only convened its task force on anti-terrorism once prior to 9/11 - while Dick Cheney had ten meetings of his Energy Task Force along with half dozen separate meetings with his friends at Enron. Terrorism was not to be a priority. Terrorism was a concern of Clinton, therefore it would not be a priority for Bush.

Clinton who had less information and evidence of an impending attack leading up to the millennium - but his administration managed to foil attacks both in the US and abroad thanks to a better sense of priorities.

If it had been Obama who had done what Bush had done, can you imagine what we'd be hearing now?


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What the hell do you think we are seeing now????
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I'm just supporting D'oh's assessment. Bad plans have been replaced by no plans.
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Oct 22 2014, 12:46 PM
Clinton who had less information and evidence of an impending attack leading up to the millennium
First of all, how much more information do you think was accumulated in the 8 months between Bush's inauguration and 9/11? I'd guess not much, at least nothing specific as to time and location.
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his administration managed to foil attacks both in the US and abroad thanks to a better sense of priorities.

Like the World Trade Center attack of 1993?

Or the USS Cole?

Or the 5 Americans killed in Riyadh in 1995?

Or the Nairobi and Tanzania embassies in 1998 (which killed 12 Americans)?
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If we're honest, there's not much difference in the way the country is being run, whoever's sitting in the oval office. How could there be? There's a truly massive governmental organization that gets a new CEO every 4-8 years. Anybody who's worked in a large organization knows that the speed of genuine change is glacial at best.

This idea that the personality of the President is central to the safety of the world is great in movies, but it's bollocks. Stuff happens, the leadership reacts as best it can, sometimes it gets it right, sometimes it gets it wrong. If Bush hadn't invaded Iraq would things be different? How about if Clinton had taken out bin Laden? Of course they'd be different. Would they be better or worse? I would humbly suggest that nobody has the faintest idea.
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Oct 22 2014, 01:08 PM
kluurs
Oct 22 2014, 12:46 PM
Clinton who had less information and evidence of an impending attack leading up to the millennium
First of all, how much more information do you think was accumulated in the 8 months between Bush's inauguration and 9/11? I'd guess not much, at least nothing specific as to time and location.
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his administration managed to foil attacks both in the US and abroad thanks to a better sense of priorities.

Like the World Trade Center attack of 1993?

Or the USS Cole?

Or the 5 Americans killed in Riyadh in 1995?

Or the Nairobi and Tanzania embassies in 1998 (which killed 12 Americans)?
Maybe it wasn't terrorism but that whole Blackhawk down thing was on his watch too. No president can fully prevent an attack anymore than a hurricane from hitting the coastline. Was there any dereliction of attention by President Bush? A case could be made that if the terrorism wasn't dropped off the screen, that we might have caught 9/11. John Ashcroft was cutting anti-terrorism requests and moving focus elsewhere. Was there dereliction by Clinton that caused any of those attacks?

Every president "f's" up. Most of us do - hopefully with non-lethal consequences.

Just look at how much every president has been vilified. Heck, Eisenhower was portrayed as inept and contributing the missile gap - putting all of us at risk for total annihilation.

I vividly remember my disdain (and that of others) for Kennedy - Bay of Pigs, the Cuban missile mess. His death made him a saint - but his successor was the guy who pushed us into a war we probably shouldn't have been in based on lies - and one where there was no good plan.

Nixon's lies have been made legendary - did some great things - but he owns some of Johnson's mess. If Nixon had Kennedy's charm or if Kennedy had Nixon's strategic sense - might have been an interesting president.

The current guy is a mess - but his predecessor didn't exactly set a high bar. When he owned congress, he did nothing to stop their spending - not one veto or even the threat of one. I couldn't imagine anyone making Clinton look responsible, but he seemed to be trying.

I remember reading Samuel Elliot Morison's History of the American People. It was heartening to read how corrupt, messed up and ineffectual government can be - and yet, we've survived. It gave me hope - need that - whether its your hero or their idiot in power. Fact is, they all fail miserably under the weight of the office.

This guy ain't worse than the last - just different.
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He's not that different.
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John D'Oh
Oct 22 2014, 01:52 PM
He's not that different.
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Oct 22 2014, 01:51 PM

This guy ain't worse than the last - just different.

The last guy had at least some affection for the country.
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This.
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Oct 22 2014, 03:59 PM
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Oct 22 2014, 01:51 PM

This guy ain't worse than the last - just different.

The last guy had at least some affection for the country.
Your right - his eyes teared up noticeably as Dick Cheney ground poor people's bones into powder and inhaled them up his nose.
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