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Economic Collapse
Topic Started: Sep 24 2014, 03:57 AM (260 Views)
Jolly
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Would a Second Great Depression be the best possible medicine for America?

1. It solves the illegal problem. As the jobs dry up and Uncle Sugar cannot afford to pay benefits to illegal aliens, they will leave.

2. It solves the marriage rate problem. Without the funds to support the massive welfare state, more traditional forms of support will re-emerge. Get a girl pregnant? You marry her. Maybe with daddy prompting you with the end of a shotgun, but married nonetheless.

3. It promotes local business. In the old days, lots of small towns existed about 1 days horse travel apart. With gas prices through the roof, due to an inflated dollar, people will shop local first.

4. The re-emergence of rail and water. Because of fuel prices, rail and water - the most efficient way to ship goods - regain their prominence.

5. Local agriculture. Because of shipping costs, perhaps we see the return of local agriculture. Local truck farms, local dairies, local ranches. And people will start to grow some of their own food again. Fresher is better.

6. Stay at home moms. Or dads. Sometimes, doing things cheaper requires more labor. I think you could see one bread winner and the spouse taking care of most things domestic, from gardening to child care.

7. Finally, does an economic collapse solve some of our Constitution problems? With less money, for less departments, do things like the Department of education go away? Do we start to pull our military back home? Do we use less executive orders and pay more attention to the appropriation process? Do states see a return to their proper powers as outlined in the Constitution?

Lots of things to think about...
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There will be an App to help you find the nearest food riot.
The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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Aqua Letifer
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It wouldn't promote local business at all. Massive franchises aren't farther away than local businesses, they're closer. And they're also cheaper.

Also, at least around here, rail is more expensive than driving by a significant amount. I don't drive to work because I'm a lazy self-entitled American; I drive to work because it costs $6 per day to do so, whereas it'd cost $8 by bus and about $12 by rail.

It also wouldn't solve the illegal problem, because they also come here for the better pay. And if we get back to a situation in which manual labor jobs are all that's left, who do you think's going to get hired? A bloated desk jockey who doesn't know how to hold a spade, or a guy who's been digging ditches for the past 8 years? (Bonus: since the INS would implode too, there'd be a smaller risk of employers hiring illegals.)

But hey maybe that other stuff would work!
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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Jolly
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Sep 24 2014, 06:16 AM
It wouldn't promote local business at all. Massive franchises aren't farther away than local businesses, they're closer. And they're also cheaper.

Also, at least around here, rail is more expensive than driving by a significant amount. I don't drive to work because I'm a lazy self-entitled American; I drive to work because it costs $6 per day to do so, whereas it'd cost $8 by bus and about $12 by rail.

It also wouldn't solve the illegal problem, because they also come here for the better pay. And if we get back to a situation in which manual labor jobs are all that's left, who do you think's going to get hired? A bloated desk jockey who doesn't know how to hold a spade, or a guy who's been digging ditches for the past 8 years? (Bonus: since the INS would implode too, there'd be a smaller risk of employers hiring illegals.)

But hey maybe that other stuff would work!
When work is scarce, who gets the work, the citizens or the illegals?

Citizens and legal aliens far outnumber the illegals. If the social welfare net is severely curtailed, the legals will displace the illegals for the remaining jobs, even if it has to be on the end of a well swung shovel.
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Jolly
Sep 24 2014, 07:15 AM
When work is scarce, who gets the work, the citizens or the illegals?

Citizens and legal aliens far outnumber the illegals. If the social welfare net is severely curtailed, the legals will displace the illegals for the remaining jobs, even if it has to be on the end of a well swung shovel.
So another Great Depression would be great for America because citizens would be allowed to beat illegal aliens with shovels.

It's probably a good job the guys actually in charge of economic policy keep on doing that they're doing.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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Sep 24 2014, 06:16 AM

Also, at least around here, rail is more expensive than driving by a significant amount. I don't drive to work because I'm a lazy self-entitled American; I drive to work because it costs $6 per day to do so, whereas it'd cost $8 by bus and about $12 by rail.

If you are going downtown don't forget to add $10 per hour to park.

Unless you decide to buy a whole day for the bargain price of around $20.

Or you decide to buy a whole month for the bargain price of around $270.
The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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Sep 24 2014, 07:52 AM
Aqua Letifer
Sep 24 2014, 06:16 AM

Also, at least around here, rail is more expensive than driving by a significant amount. I don't drive to work because I'm a lazy self-entitled American; I drive to work because it costs $6 per day to do so, whereas it'd cost $8 by bus and about $12 by rail.

If you are going downtown don't forget to add $10 per hour to park.

Unless you decide to buy a whole day for the bargain price of around $20.

Or you decide to buy a whole month for the bargain price of around $270.
You talking about car parking?

I don't work downtown, so I don't pay anything to park. If I took the metro, it'd cost $5 a day. There's just no way to make public transportation economical for my commute, and it's stupid.

What really ticks me off though is that government workers by and large have all of this expense subsidized. They don't pay anything to take the metro into work; our tax dollars do. (Contractors get the same deal every now and again. Either that or they get paid out the yang so much they don't mind paying.) That's why the DC Metro can get away with jacking up its rates whenever it wants; it will never affect a large portion of their ridership.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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Sep 24 2014, 08:12 AM
You talking about car parking?

Yes, train parking is included in the fare.
The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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Aqua Letifer
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Sep 24 2014, 09:16 AM
Aqua Letifer
Sep 24 2014, 08:12 AM
You talking about car parking?

Yes, train parking is included in the fare.
The hell it is.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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Sep 24 2014, 09:27 AM
Copper
Sep 24 2014, 09:16 AM
Aqua Letifer
Sep 24 2014, 08:12 AM
You talking about car parking?

Yes, train parking is included in the fare.
The hell it is.

That's car parking at a train station, not train parking.
The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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Jolly
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Sep 24 2014, 07:19 AM
Jolly
Sep 24 2014, 07:15 AM
When work is scarce, who gets the work, the citizens or the illegals?

Citizens and legal aliens far outnumber the illegals. If the social welfare net is severely curtailed, the legals will displace the illegals for the remaining jobs, even if it has to be on the end of a well swung shovel.
So another Great Depression would be great for America because citizens would be allowed to beat illegal aliens with shovels.

It's probably a good job the guys actually in charge of economic policy keep on doing that they're doing.
I'm not sure it is.

They guys running our current economic policy have us on a currency backed by nothing. The amount of that currency is continually inflated by the Federal Reserve - which ain't Federal and I'm not sure what they have in reserve - which helps the U.S. pay it's debts, since we're paying new dollars on old dollars and the new dollars are generally worth much less.

AFAIK, no fiat currency has survived the long haul. Money almost always reverts to being pegged to some commodity.

At some point in our future, something is going to disrupt this house of cards. It might be man-made, it might be the earth doing something cataclysmic but not on the level of an extinction event or it might be a cosmic event, such as a significant asteroid strike. Whatever happens, I think our financial system is going to suffer some deep wounds.

Bad economic times can make for bad decisions. Nearly all periods of hyperinflation have been caused by government budget deficits financed by money creation.
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Mark
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Trying to be the police force for the entire planet without the entire planet actually funding it, will pretty much drag a nation down as fast as fake money.
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