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The Most Valuable Photograph Ever
Topic Started: Nov 2 2013, 02:19 PM (414 Views)
Mikhailoh
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
Bravery plus.

http://petapixel.com/2013/10/29/honored-photograph/

Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball
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Red Rice
HOLY CARP!!!
Awesome story. Thanks.
Civilisation, I vaguely realized then - and subsequent observation has confirmed the view - could not progress that way. It must have a greater guiding principle to survive. To treat it as a carcase off which each man tears as much as he can for himself, is to stand convicted a brute, fit for nothing better than a jungle existence, which is a death-struggle, leading nowhither. I did not believe that was the human destiny, for Man individually was sane and reasonable, only collectively a fool.

I hope the gunner of that Hun two-seater shot him clean, bullet to heart, and that his plane, on fire, fell like a meteor through the sky he loved. Since he had to end, I hope he ended so. But, oh, the waste! The loss!

- Cecil Lewis
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jon-nyc
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Cheers
Cool story.
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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VPG
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Wow!
I'M NOT YELLING.........I'M ITALIAN...........THAT'S HOW WE TALK!


"People say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look."
Ronald Reagan, Inaugural, 1971

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brenda
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..............
Leadership comes in all kinds of persons. Great story.
“Weeds are flowers, too, once you get to know them.”
~A.A. Milne
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Piano*Dad
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Can you imagine misfits like that trying to get anywhere in today's more bureaucratized military?
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Mikhailoh
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
That 'put the misfits together' thing works. I did it in 8th grade gym volleyball when I got tagged as a captain. Picked every 'picked last' kid I could find. We torched the place all year - no one could touch us. The jocks were MOST frustrated.
Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball
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jon-nyc
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Piano*Dad
Nov 3 2013, 04:51 PM
Can you imagine misfits like that trying to get anywhere in today's more bureaucratized military?
I'm guessing the "we rebuilt this plane, it's ours" would be particularly hard to pull off.
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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Piano*Dad
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Indeed.

… and the wisdom of the commander who realized how useful they might be is probably now replaced by the caution of careerism that depends on never being caught in violation of a rule.
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VPG
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They replaced all of the light 30 caliber machine guns in the plane with heavier 50 caliber weapons. Then the 50 caliber machine guns were replaced with double 50 caliber guns



I think the above fact would keep "Pochers" away.
I'M NOT YELLING.........I'M ITALIAN...........THAT'S HOW WE TALK!


"People say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look."
Ronald Reagan, Inaugural, 1971

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Mikhailoh
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Piano*Dad
Nov 4 2013, 04:42 AM
Indeed.

… and the wisdom of the commander who realized how useful they might be is probably now replaced by the caution of careerism that depends on never being caught in violation of a rule.
Preach it, brother. We seem determined to breed judgement right out of the species.
Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball
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Aqua Letifer
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Mikhailoh
Nov 4 2013, 06:13 AM
Piano*Dad
Nov 4 2013, 04:42 AM
Indeed.

… and the wisdom of the commander who realized how useful they might be is probably now replaced by the caution of careerism that depends on never being caught in violation of a rule.
Preach it, brother. We seem determined to breed judgement right out of the species.
Makes it easier on the rest of us. Any system of sufficient size will start to get bogged down by judgment and personal acumen. So instead of keeping the system from growing larger, we make steadfast rules that allow no room for interpretation. It streamlines the process and completely denies what being part of this world is all about. Survival requires interpretation and judgment.

It's just ****ing stupid.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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Mikhailoh
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
Bingo.

But then who says we have to survive?
Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball
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Axtremus
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Piano*Dad
Nov 3 2013, 04:51 PM
Can you imagine misfits like that trying to get anywhere in today's more bureaucratized military?
Today, the "misfits" would be in the satellite mission control, digital image processing, and intelligence analysis teams getting that kind of intelligence using satellites. Heck, they may even be just a bunch of coders writing massive amount of code sifting through existing Google Earth and Google Maps data trying to "detect" surface features that may indicate further artificial subterranean structures.

Times change, technologies change. The "misfits", their usefulness, the "leadership", and their "deployment" change along with time and technology.
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Axtremus
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Mikhailoh
Nov 3 2013, 06:19 PM
That 'put the misfits together' thing works. I did it in 8th grade gym volleyball when I got tagged as a captain. Picked every 'picked last' kid I could find. We torched the place all year - no one could touch us. The jocks were MOST frustrated.
The romantics see it as a triumph of the misfits.
The thinkers see it as just another defect in the jocks' selection and training regiment.

The romantics make this a favorite war story and may be even a movie.
The thinkers make another revision to the guidelines and manuals.

:)
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Axtremus
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HOLY CARP!!!
Aqua Letifer
Nov 4 2013, 06:34 AM
[1] So instead of keeping the system from growing larger, ...

[2] It streamlines the process and completely denies what being part of this world is all about.
1. The size of the system is merely a function of the number of participants in the system and the number of connections among the participants in the system. As the number of participants grow (e.g., due to population growth) or the number of potential connections among the population grows (e.g., due to advancements in communications technology), the size of the system has no choice but to also grow. (And I write this as a guy who acknowledges the need for anti-trust legislations, favors reducing the size of the military, and breaking up all those big banks into smaller banks -- ask Mik if he is in favor or either.)

2. "[W]hat being part of this world is all about" is a matter of opinion (and for institutions, a matter of charter or "mission statement").
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Aqua Letifer
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ZOOOOOM!
Axtremus
Nov 4 2013, 02:07 PM
Aqua Letifer
Nov 4 2013, 06:34 AM
[1] So instead of keeping the system from growing larger, ...

[2] It streamlines the process and completely denies what being part of this world is all about.
1. The size of the system is merely a function of the number of participants in the system and the number of connections among the participants in the system. As the number of participants grow (e.g., due to population growth) or the number of potential connections among the population grows (e.g., due to advancements in communications technology), the size of the system has no choice but to also grow. (And I write this as a guy who acknowledges the need for anti-trust legislations, favors reducing the size of the military, and breaking up all those big banks into smaller banks -- ask Mik if he is in favor or either.)

2. "[W]hat being part of this world is all about" is a matter of opinion (and for institutions, a matter of charter or "mission statement").
The most potent argument I can think of against big systems is that you're in favor of them, Ax.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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Axtremus
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No, I am not in favor of big systems. I simply recognize the inevitability of systems getting ever bigger as a consequence of growth in population and the increase in communications among the populace.

Heck, I even cited specific things I favor that reduce the size of systems (i.e., anti-trust legislations, reduction in the size of the military, breaking up the big banks into smaller banks).

Dang, couldn't you read??!!! :biggrin:
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Aqua Letifer
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ZOOOOOM!
Axtremus
Nov 4 2013, 02:24 PM
No, I am not in favor of big systems. I simply recognize the inevitability of systems getting ever bigger as a consequence of growth in population and the increase in communications among the populace.

Heck, I even cited specific things I favor that reduce the size of systems (i.e., anti-trust legislations, reduction in the size of the military, breaking up the big banks into smaller banks).

Dang, couldn't you read??!!! :biggrin:
Sorry, I saw numbered lists and brackets around the front letters, so my brain shut down, fearing it was confronting a quality assurance report or something equally eye-gouge-inducing.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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Nov 4 2013, 02:46 PM
Sorry, I saw numbered lists and brackets around the front letters, so my brain shut down, fearing it was confronting a quality assurance report or something equally eye-gouge-inducing.
Interesting.

So how then, do you reduce large amounts of data in to bite sized pieces if you don't reduce them to lists with bullet points?
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Aqua Letifer
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Steve Miller
Nov 4 2013, 10:21 PM
Interesting.

So how then, do you reduce large amounts of data in to bite sized pieces if you don't reduce them to lists with bullet points?
I don't.



I just choose not to read boring crap.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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Axtremus
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Aqua Letifer
Nov 5 2013, 05:54 AM
I just choose not to read boring crap.
It's OK. Just be thankful that some other people read those anyway so you can enjoy your present life style. :)
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Aqua Letifer
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Axtremus
Nov 5 2013, 09:07 AM
Aqua Letifer
Nov 5 2013, 05:54 AM
I just choose not to read boring crap.
It's OK. Just be thankful that some other people read those anyway so you can enjoy your present life style. :)
Yeah okay. :lol:
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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I read about Zeamer and the Buka mission in high school. I had this book, and another written by Edward Jablonski, chronicling the air war in WWII:

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I still have the books.



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big al
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That's one hell of a story. I'd never heard it before.

And the B-17 was a hell of a plane. The story reminded me of this picture.

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An attacking Bf 109 fighter tumbled through the tail of a 97th Bomb Group
B-17F named All American on a mission to Tunis, Tunisia, on February 1,
1943. Flyers in other B-17s were astonished to see the stricken bomber pitch
up, recover, and keep flying. An airman aboard The Flying Flint Gun snapped
a photograph that would become famous. It shows All American struggling to
make it home with no port horizontal stabilizer and a terrible gash through
the fuselage.

The photo was sent home with the following message: "Censor, Should there
be some law, rule, or regulation against sending the picture below to my
wife, please seal the flap above and return---it is an unduplicateable shot
and one I should hate to lose." All American made it back to Biskra,
Algeria, with all aboard safe. National Archives/Army Air Forces.


Big Al
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