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| why cant you use phones on planes? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 17 2013, 10:27 AM (756 Views) | |
| bachophile | Oct 17 2013, 10:27 AM Post #1 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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| Mikhailoh | Oct 17 2013, 11:02 AM Post #2 |
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| Horace | Oct 17 2013, 12:07 PM Post #3 |
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I always ignore them and keep my phone on during takeoffs and landings. Kindle, too. |
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| brenda | Oct 17 2013, 12:32 PM Post #4 |
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Rebel! |
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| Horace | Oct 17 2013, 04:56 PM Post #5 |
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Yes, and I pay the price in stern looks from the flight attendants when they discover my shenanigans. But I don't care what those squares think. |
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| M&M's | Oct 17 2013, 06:04 PM Post #6 |
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It messes with the instruments so don't do it. Cellphones use the satellites that the instrument are using. |
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| Horace | Oct 17 2013, 06:20 PM Post #7 |
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I bet of the last million passenger plane takeoffs and landings, approximately none of them happened with no electronic gadgets turned on somewhere in the plane. The rule is nonsensical and based on nothing. |
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| John D'Oh | Oct 17 2013, 06:24 PM Post #8 |
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MAMIL
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It got Alec Baldwin kicked off a plane, so it's not totally without merit. |
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| M&M's | Oct 17 2013, 07:29 PM Post #9 |
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Not true. While one most likely won't cause an issue, a plane full of passengers using their cellphones ups the likely hood of interference. Why risk it? Even if the percentage of it happening is small. |
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| Horace | Oct 17 2013, 08:06 PM Post #10 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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As far as I'm aware the likelihood of a cell phone or other electronic device causing problems with the aircraft is zero. |
| As a good person, I implore you to do as I, a good person, do. Be good. Do NOT be bad. If you see bad, end bad. End it in yourself, and end it in others. By any means necessary, the good must conquer the bad. Good people know this. Do you know this? Are you good? | |
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| jon-nyc | Oct 18 2013, 12:53 AM Post #11 |
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Cheers
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I've always assumed that, while the probability of interference is zero, in order to allow them they would have to prove that. Proving that would cost money, and it's in no one's financial interest to pay for the tests. Contrast that with the old in-plane phones, or satellite based wifi in planes today. In both cases the industry had a financial incentive to pay for the testing. |
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| Klaus | Oct 18 2013, 12:53 AM Post #12 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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No. Cellphones do not use satellites. Theoretically, some kind of interference is possible. But I assume that the things that are on a plane anyway, such as the engines, have a much higher potential for interference. In any case, such measures should be based on realistic measures of danger. For instance, why not fill a plane with a few thousand cell phones that are switched on and see whether something unusual happens. Or simulate the cell phones with one big sender. If nothing happens when you simulate the situation with, say, 100x the number of celllphones typically on board, then it is sufficiently safe to leave the cellphones on. |
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| Klaus | Oct 18 2013, 12:55 AM Post #13 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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An airline which would offer flights in which the use of electronic devices is ok at all times would likely have a competitive advantage, no? |
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| jon-nyc | Oct 18 2013, 12:57 AM Post #14 |
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No. Once an airline demonstrated safety the rule would change for the whole industry. |
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| jon-nyc | Oct 18 2013, 12:58 AM Post #15 |
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Another way to think of it - if the authorities thought that terrorists could take down planes with cellphones they wouldn't allow them on the plane at all. |
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| Klaus | Oct 18 2013, 01:50 AM Post #16 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Oh, they could claim that they have verified safety only for their top-secret and/or patented modified cell-phone-secure planes. |
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| VPG | Oct 18 2013, 04:04 AM Post #17 |
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Pisa-Carp
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I have visions of U. S. Navy ships sailing lost. And crashing into each other, because of all the young sailors calling their sweetees all hours of the day and night. Having said that, will it kill you to put the F***ing down for ten minutes while they take off? |
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| John D'Oh | Oct 18 2013, 04:31 AM Post #18 |
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You've got a choice between spending a sh!t load of money trying to prove that EMI interference can't cause a safety issue, or you ask people to switch off their sh!t for 10 minutes.![]() I get much more p!ssed off about the fact that I can fly for 5 freaking hours without any food being served. |
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| Aqua Letifer | Oct 18 2013, 04:50 AM Post #19 |
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ZOOOOOM!
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Personally, I'm glad they ask people to do that. It's just good ****ing practice. If people get into the habit of knowing how to turn off their sh!t on airplanes, maybe they'll learn to do so when at dinner, at the movies, at their kid's sporting event, at funerals, at job interviews and weddings. |
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| John D'Oh | Oct 18 2013, 05:03 AM Post #20 |
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For some reason people have adopted the idea that using a bloody smart phone whenever and wherever they want is some kind of human right. One can only assume that the prospect of being left alone with their thoughts for a few meetings is so horrific for a reason. They can't bear to have the one thing preventing them from facing up to the emptiness of their pointless existence removed, even for a few short minutes. If your most important achievement today is to complete a level of Angry Birds, do us all a favour. Jump out of the f*cking plane, sans 'chute. |
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| Mikhailoh | Oct 18 2013, 05:16 AM Post #21 |
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| Axtremus | Oct 18 2013, 09:03 AM Post #22 |
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1. Cell phone use on air planes as a "safety" issue -- most likely just started because of an "over abundance of caution," and then stuck there because of regulatory inertia. Lacking any profit motive (a la in-flight Wi-Fi), no one dares to advocate otherwise because no body wants any finger pointed at him when the some one suspects ("suspects," not "proves") cell phone interference as a cause of the next plane crash. A lot like many of the annoying and ineffective "anti-terrorism security measures" that got put in after 9/11 ... lots of "over abundance of caution" out of fear, then stuck forever because no want wants the political risk of relaxing any supposed "security measure" and then has to explain why it has nothing to do with the next attack. That said ... 2. Turning off your cell phones (or put them in "airplane mode") is good for you because it saves you battery life in a meaningful way. That's the primary reason I do it when I am on board. Cell phones are designed to be in near constant contact with a cell tower. When it is not in contact with a cell tower, it tries to find a cell tower with which to make contact ... over and over and over until it succeeds. When flying in an airplane, most of the time the plane flies too high and/or too fast for your cell phone to keep in contact with a cell tower. So if left unattended, your cell phone would just keep trying to find a cell tower to attach to. Doing so requires some intensive signal processing and that drains your battery. That's why it is in your self-interest to turn off your cell phone or put it in airplane mode when you fly. ("Airplane mode" basically shuts off the phone's radio functions.) The non-smart cell phones are easy (and quick) to turn on and off. The smartphones (iPhones, Android phones, etc.) takes longer to actually turn on and off (having to gracefully shutdown or restart a pretty complicated operating system). Very few smartphone users actually know how to completely power-off their own smartphones. So best thing to do is to just put a smartphone in "airplane mode" when you fly with one. |
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| Aqua Letifer | Oct 18 2013, 09:21 AM Post #23 |
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Which we all know is heaps better than saving battery life in all those useless ways. |
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| Copper | Oct 18 2013, 10:22 AM Post #24 |
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I think the most important reason to turn the devices off is so the passengers won't be distracted during the safety briefing and even more important during an emergency. That has nothing to do with electronic interference. And yes I know nobody pays attention to the safety briefing, except me. I have heard crew say they liked the restriction because during an emergency there is no doubt many of the passengers would consider texting more important than saving lives. I actually had 3 cell phones and an iPad running during my flight this morning. I was testing a new App so I just had them all up and recording the flight - using the GPS. I have lived to tell about it. |
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| Horace | Oct 18 2013, 11:07 AM Post #25 |
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Right. If there was any potential for interference with the plane, electronic devices would have been banned from planes long ago. |
| As a good person, I implore you to do as I, a good person, do. Be good. Do NOT be bad. If you see bad, end bad. End it in yourself, and end it in others. By any means necessary, the good must conquer the bad. Good people know this. Do you know this? Are you good? | |
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