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| Tweet Topic Started: Sep 30 2013, 12:12 PM (421 Views) | |
| VPG | Sep 30 2013, 12:12 PM Post #1 |
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Pisa-Carp
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The beat goes on. Think the Mayor will be reelected? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/30/marcus-rush-shot_n_4016656.html?ref=topbar |
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I'M NOT YELLING.........I'M ITALIAN...........THAT'S HOW WE TALK! "People say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look." Ronald Reagan, Inaugural, 1971 | |
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| somebody else's sock | Sep 30 2013, 01:22 PM Post #2 |
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Middle Aged Carp
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Funny how the "Chicago is murder capital of the world" meme has evolved. Murder rate is down 20% from last year, and according to this 2011 table (the most recent year available for FBI statistics) from Wikipedia, you were more likely to be murdered in Philadelphia than in Chicago (sort the cities by Murder and Non-negligent manslaughter). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_cities_by_crime_rate Edited by somebody else's sock, Sep 30 2013, 01:51 PM.
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| VPG | Sep 30 2013, 01:28 PM Post #3 |
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Pisa-Carp
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O K, I will bow to you and declare, Chicago is not the murder capital if the U.S. Iy's all American cities run by Democrats. Better? |
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I'M NOT YELLING.........I'M ITALIAN...........THAT'S HOW WE TALK! "People say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look." Ronald Reagan, Inaugural, 1971 | |
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| somebody else's sock | Sep 30 2013, 01:54 PM Post #4 |
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Middle Aged Carp
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No bowing required. And this has nothing to do with who is running the city. It is about looking at the whole picture rather than a single incident. As a species we tend to notice things that support our thinking and ignore the data that doesn't. I'm just trying to point out there's a bigger picture here. |
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| Copper | Sep 30 2013, 02:02 PM Post #5 |
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Shortstop
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Move over. http://news.yahoo.com/chicago-murder-capital-of-america-fbi-142122290.html
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| somebody else's sock | Sep 30 2013, 02:36 PM Post #6 |
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Middle Aged Carp
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Exactly. The numbers can "mean" what you want them to. Chicago has the largest absolute number of homicides, but in terms of likelihood of being murdered, the article Copper posted notes:
A more thorough analysis of what the data mean:
There's a bunch more in the article if you're interested, but the above makes my point. Source |
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| VPG | Sep 30 2013, 05:52 PM Post #7 |
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Pisa-Carp
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Truthfully I do not get your point. Chicago has a lot of murders, and they (mayor) does not seem to be able to do anything about it. And will be Mayor as long as he wants to be. That was my point. I never said Chi. was the murder capital. Below is my origional post. Never said murder capital. The beat goes on. Think the Mayor will be reelected? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/30/marcus-rush-shot_n_4016656.html?ref=topbar |
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I'M NOT YELLING.........I'M ITALIAN...........THAT'S HOW WE TALK! "People say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look." Ronald Reagan, Inaugural, 1971 | |
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| somebody else's sock | Oct 1 2013, 11:18 AM Post #8 |
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Middle Aged Carp
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Philly has a higher murder rate per capita than Chicago. Why are you singling out Chicago and its mayor? |
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| VPG | Oct 1 2013, 11:57 AM Post #9 |
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Pisa-Carp
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Basiclly He's a slime ball and I don't like him. Why are you defending him and the great job he has done? Also, tho a Democrat, Philly's Mayor is not a slime ball. Therefore I will not pick on him. |
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I'M NOT YELLING.........I'M ITALIAN...........THAT'S HOW WE TALK! "People say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look." Ronald Reagan, Inaugural, 1971 | |
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| Copper | Oct 1 2013, 12:14 PM Post #10 |
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Shortstop
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The murder capital has always been the city with the most murders within the city limits. So the city limits and other factors vary - too bad. Chicago is the murder capital. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| kluurs | Oct 1 2013, 12:37 PM Post #11 |
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Fulla-Carp
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Chicago recently had a police chief Jody Weis who seemed to be doing a good job of reducing both murders and crime. He was rewarded by being fired. Rahm appointed his guy - and things have gone back to the way they were with things out of control. The reason the other guy was fired was that the rank and file police didn't like him - an important voting block. Weis was an outsider from Philadelphia - who had 20+ years with the FBI. He didn't fit in - but as the Chicago Tribune said "Under Weis, Chicago's homicide toll dropped to its lowest total since 1965. Superintendents get too much blame and too much credit for murder figures. But let's not forget that a superintendent choice does have life-and-death consequences. Weis accomplished Job One for any superintendent: On his watch, most of our neighborhoods were safer. Police appointments are typically a hornet's nest. Emanuel could play it safe, especially if he wants to avoid poisoning contract talks with the Fraternal Order of Police. But playing it safe doesn't seem to be his style." |
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| somebody else's sock | Oct 1 2013, 12:39 PM Post #12 |
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Middle Aged Carp
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Now we've gotten to the crux of the matter. BTW, I also think he's a slime ball. Would have saved a lot of time if you just said that to begin with instead of leading with the HuffPo red herring.... |
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| VPG | Oct 1 2013, 01:08 PM Post #13 |
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Pisa-Carp
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You mean that right wing Huff post? You are defending him, why? Read Klurrs post above. |
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I'M NOT YELLING.........I'M ITALIAN...........THAT'S HOW WE TALK! "People say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look." Ronald Reagan, Inaugural, 1971 | |
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| somebody else's sock | Oct 1 2013, 01:17 PM Post #14 |
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Middle Aged Carp
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Let's start over. You posted a story about a murder in Chicago and asked if the mayor is likely to be re-elected. I initiated a discussion about the MSM stories regarding Chicago's murders. I noted that while Chicago has the highest number of absolute murders (Copper's definition of "murder capital"), there are more murders committed per capita in other cities (an alternate definition of "murder capital"). You keep bringing up Democrats and Republicans. What does that have to do with the price of tea in Portland? You keep talking about my defending the mayor of Chicago. Please tell me where I did that. You said you thought Chicago's mayor was a slime ball. I said I felt the same way. Your turn. |
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| Copper | Oct 1 2013, 01:32 PM Post #15 |
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Shortstop
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It's not my definition. It is the commonly accepted definition, go ahead and google it. Aside from the local cbs affiliate in Chicago it is pretty much unanimous. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| VPG | Oct 1 2013, 01:48 PM Post #16 |
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Pisa-Carp
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I give up. If all of your above posts are not a defence (or excuse) of the people (Democrats) that run Chicago, my favorite City in the U. S., then my reading skills have slipped. |
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I'M NOT YELLING.........I'M ITALIAN...........THAT'S HOW WE TALK! "People say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look." Ronald Reagan, Inaugural, 1971 | |
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| somebody else's sock | Oct 1 2013, 02:54 PM Post #17 |
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Middle Aged Carp
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Once again, we agree. No point in trying to discuss this any further. |
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| bachophile | Oct 2 2013, 09:11 PM Post #18 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I blame George k |
| "I don't know much about classical music. For years I thought the Goldberg Variations were something Mr. and Mrs. Goldberg did on their wedding night." Woody Allen | |
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| kluurs | Oct 3 2013, 02:30 AM Post #19 |
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Fulla-Carp
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The one thing Rahm has been stuck with is a fiscal crisis that doesn't quit. For generations the mayors in Chicago gave away the store to unions in order to assure election. There is virtually no Republican party in all of Cook County. There's nothing left. OTH, Rahm now has had to face a fiscal crisis that could turn Chicago into Detroit - i.e. taxes, fees and cutbacks to address this. While he hasn't done enough, compared to the rest of the Democratic legislators in Illinois, he's practically a Republican. |
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