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| Mikhailoh | Feb 2 2013, 08:48 PM Post #26 |
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True, dat. There was hardly a summer's day when there wasnt at last one fistfight in my neighborhood, and sometimes more than one. It just happened. Sometimes sticks, rocks and croquet mallets were involved. Then I had two older brothers and no willingness to back down, which meant I fought at home too, although it wasn't usually fistfights but wrestling to inflict pain. Even if I was going to lose I determined to inflict as much damage as possible. Once I got better and more determined my brothers learned that going after me was not in their best interests. I will not go into details. The human condition - we are violent, territorial mammals. |
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| Luke's Dad | Feb 2 2013, 09:23 PM Post #27 |
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Oh, that's right. Joe Pa and the Penn State football program pissed in your wheaties. Nearly forgot. |
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| Jolly | Feb 3 2013, 06:03 AM Post #28 |
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Print this one out and tack it on your wall: Football ain't going away. Not at the high school level, not at the collegiate level and not at the pro level. It is a sport of controlled violence and that violence cannot be taken out of the sport. Injuries can be addressed through equipment changes and some rule changes...after all, at one time the NCAA measured a good year in college football if there was only one or two deaths on the field. At the end of the day, however, it is what it is. |
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| Copper | Feb 3 2013, 07:58 AM Post #29 |
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Yes, hockey is like that in Boston too. The NHL is great but hockey is a neighborhood thing and a family thing too. We made ice rinks in our back yards in the winter and played on the ponds and played in the street all summer. We didn't have a pull the sweater over the head fight in every game but there was always a wrestling match going on. And there wasn't much padding, usually maybe gloves and shin guards. Boys like to hit each other, that's going to happen with or without any NFL or NHL. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| Amanda | Feb 3 2013, 11:12 AM Post #30 |
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WHAT ? "Pissed in my Wheaties?" Is that what you call: a) Countless children's having been raped for decades, as enabled by the Football Program's empowerment of Sandusky. and Paterno's persuasion of key PSU leaders to look the other way b) The Football Program's having used undue influence over the law enforcement program, so that players breaking the law weren't properly punished like "ordinary" students. c) countless students having been injured by players, drunk or not, without prosecution (tremendous documentation through the PSU student affairs office and plenty of those harmed, even including a Philadelphia Police sergeant's son). d) Second Mile personnel personally harming one of my son's and countless other young children, as enabled by the Football Program's deification? e) The Second Mile's having embezzled funds raised by the charity by illegitimate appropriation - again re enablement. f) the University's ("gown") having lost countless millions in fines, lost revenues, legal fees and payments to damaged children g) The Uni's and area's , "town", having lost millions in depreciated housing, education, and football revenues affecting every aspect of local life and university programming h) students and locals, having lost tremendously in their sense of self-respect, pride in their degree and idolization of Paterno. Just for starters. Your empathy is appreciated - NOT. Tell that to the nation which has observed the crucifixion of the university and locals, to "teach a lesson" to a limited cabal of guilty leadership who exploited the power appropriated from the football program. And also to signal a warning to football programs nation-wide, which were similarly morally defective. . |
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[size=5] We should tolerate eccentricity in others, almost to the point of lunacy, provided no one else is harmed.[/size] "Daily Telegraph", London July 27 2005 | |
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| Luke's Dad | Feb 3 2013, 11:34 AM Post #31 |
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Oh please, Amanda. You latched on to the Penn Statestory with the glee and determination of a hound dog finding a T-Bone. You were bringing up a lot of unsubstantiated stories about character issues independant of the whole Sandusky business. I particularly remember a story of a young piano prodigy that has his hand broke by members of the football team that not only couldn't be substantiated but had people shaking their head in incredulity. You have shown a zeal in attacking professional and collegiate foootball far beyond somebody have some reasonable concerns over documented dangers to and from the game. Your "concern" has bordered on personal vendetta.
Edited by Luke's Dad, Feb 3 2013, 11:36 AM.
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| Amanda | Feb 3 2013, 11:45 AM Post #32 |
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A tragedy which happened. If we were still involved with the local piano program, I would ask others who remembered it too. However, not to spend one more momentito to satisfy someone with your lack of moral judgment. |
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[size=5] We should tolerate eccentricity in others, almost to the point of lunacy, provided no one else is harmed.[/size] "Daily Telegraph", London July 27 2005 | |
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| Luke's Dad | Feb 3 2013, 11:46 AM Post #33 |
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As for the legalities of these cases against the NFL, I've been hearing that they likely won't be going very far as there is no way to substantiate whether these problems have resulted from injuries during their professional careers or from their college/high school days. The real concern is whether there was a coverup, and evidence for a coordinated coverup is pretty scarce, but it's not keeping people from repeating the allegation as a fact. The real danger is publicity and not monetary. |
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| Amanda | Feb 3 2013, 12:22 PM Post #34 |
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The article I remember from the Centre Daily Times is only available in their archives and I don’t care to pay $20 to belong to their search engine. It occurred, as it turns out, in 2001. I was able to find references today apparently only because the victim was finally successful in suing one of the players for $900,000 a few years ago. Using the victim’s name (Sandt) I was able to find a small item referring to the incident, saying most of the key facts I recalled in my online mention here, namely: That he was a pianist, unable to play because of the serious injuries to his hands, as rendered by drunk football players. That they showed up demanding entrance to a frat party, because “we’re football. Let us in” and beating their chests like gorillas. That his hands were damaged by them, in a window. What’s missing in this snippet, is that he wasn’t even able to recover medical expenses apart from losing his music career. Also, they don’t say “drunk” or quote the victim in several of his very sad comments, about how he felt at losing his career, his family’s grief (and rage at the players getting off), his career plans and his deep upset at not even having his injuries validated. If you want to pay the money to retrieve my article, go ahead. I’ve spent enough on this. If you have a shred of decency, you will apologize. Exactly why you think I would have invented this, I can’t imagine. Nor have I invented anything I wrote anywhere about what’s gone on here, with my family, the organization’s I’ve protested or anything else. How about reading the anecdote concerning my son and going on for football in my first post? How would you like that if it were your son? Please note, as alluded he had had prior head injuries which made him especially vulnerable to football concussions.
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[size=5] We should tolerate eccentricity in others, almost to the point of lunacy, provided no one else is harmed.[/size] "Daily Telegraph", London July 27 2005 | |
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| Amanda | Feb 3 2013, 12:50 PM Post #35 |
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The first article concerns the acquittal. It describes the musician as a clarinettist. The CDT article (archived) described him as a pianist and much about his losses professionally. The way the attacker was acquitted was especially offensive. 1) there wasn't even any admission of identity to protect him from needing to pay damages, including medical expenses (!) - as I had said earlier. 2) Also, the victim was blamed for not being able to identity his assailant right after recovering from surgery! Paterno also "went to bat" for his team member. Note that even the second article is so old it was archived. However, living here, I FOLLOWED THESE THINGS WHEN THEY HAPPENED. Unlike you and the "people" you describe as "shaking their heads in incredulity" (Who?). The second article describes the victim's recovery of a cash settlement. I wonder how much it covers of his medical expenses, not even counting his lost career and mental suffering. Now, what about YOUR admission of fault? And this is only one of many issues, in which I only described matters and people with which I was personally familiar, many of which affected me and my family directly. That's not even counting issues I researched in depth. What gall you have.
http://old.post-gazette.com/localnews/20020501frat6.asp
http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/2007/09/05/court_orders_900k_payout.aspx |
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[size=5] We should tolerate eccentricity in others, almost to the point of lunacy, provided no one else is harmed.[/size] "Daily Telegraph", London July 27 2005 | |
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| Luke's Dad | Feb 3 2013, 12:55 PM Post #36 |
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You've given us a link to a post made in a forum?! Great, I'll get right on that apology. Still, apparantly an assault did happen where two football players attacked a musician, your basic accusations that Paterno and the boys at PSU kept the players from facing charges and covered everything up is proven false right there. The two players did go to court and did face assault charges, and apparantly were later sued successfully in addition. |
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| Luke's Dad | Feb 3 2013, 12:57 PM Post #37 |
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You're vehemence on this subject is proving my point, Amanda. |
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| Amanda | Feb 3 2013, 01:08 PM Post #38 |
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You're really something else. Now I'm at fault because the musician was successful in a years-long lawsuit six years after his attackers were illegitimately acquitted! Which was the only way I was able to track the initial reference to his losing in Court - all of which you disputed . Wow! All my facts are demonstrably true, only without his finally prevailing, you would have argued the players were innocent, "misidentified" , as first claimed. Furthermore, the PSU Student Affairs' head amply demonstrated Paterno's pattern of exerting illegal and illegitimate pressure for players to be exonerated in serious disciplinary matters she attempted to adjudicate. The record shows these to have been among others: sexual assault and other drunken assaults, including attacking the son of a Philadelphia Police Sergeant's son. No, not exonerated in all cases - sometimes, he'd have them pick up trash on the field for a month or so. Instead of prison. Here, they were tried and freed. For SIX YEARS. I'm supposed to go to the trouble of linking all these incidents now - which, FWIW, I already have. For someone who plays such games? You deserve zero respect for your unrelenting pursuit of me in these and other issues. Let's see if anyone else dares to comment on your gall. Decency would dictate quite a different response, but that is evidently not your style. "Courage", it's called. And people wonder why members drop out of this forum! Is everything really dictated by old-boy alliances? Let's see. Edited by Amanda, Feb 3 2013, 02:59 PM.
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| Luke's Dad | Feb 3 2013, 01:38 PM Post #39 |
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No Amanda, you're at fault for originally posting an allegation months ago without any attribution. Today you post for the first time some attribution, great. But it only supports one part of your allegation, that an attack happened. The rest of your allegation (that the attack was covered up etc...) has not been proven or shown that I have seen. You mentioned a Head of Student Affairs finding that Paterno covered for his players excessively and kept them from facing consequences. Fine, could you please show me the finding? I would appreciate it. All of this still doesn't change my opinion that you have shown an extremely aggressive attitude towards issues involving professional and college football players. I believe that there has been some personal issue in the past, and I believe this has colored all of your impressions of issues involving the sport. I was a little crude in my opening comment, and I apologize for that, but I don't apologize for the general gist of my point and my opinion. During this thread, you have gotten extremely more vehement, you have repeatedly made statements of opinion as statements of fact, and you have inferred that several members of this forum are brain damaged. Because you cannot understand why people would desire to play this game, you dismiss them and their opinions. Except for my first post, I think I've maintained a level of calm throughout this discussion, yet you have not. I would recommend that you consider this for a while.
I ave no need or desire for your respect,Amand, and I would hardly call my requests that you back up allegations with an attribution as unrelenting or gall. Again, my first post was indecent, but you should seriously consider not letting an internet forum get you this upset. Edited by Luke's Dad, Feb 3 2013, 01:41 PM.
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| Mikhailoh | Feb 3 2013, 01:51 PM Post #40 |
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You might get a little more support when people agree with you if you didn't make it quite such a slap in the face like 'now all you misogynistic sh!theads HAVE to support me! HAH!'. |
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| Amanda | Feb 3 2013, 02:23 PM Post #41 |
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Nice, Mikhailoh. "Old Boy" #1.
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| Mikhailoh | Feb 3 2013, 02:29 PM Post #42 |
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You can hide behind that old saw that you have been fed for so long, but it just reinforces what I said. |
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| Amanda | Feb 3 2013, 02:39 PM Post #43 |
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Edited by Luke's Dad, 55 minutes ago. Take a nice deep breath, and you’ll get on top of your spelling again. |
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| Mikhailoh | Feb 3 2013, 02:43 PM Post #44 |
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Enough of this cyberfoolishness. The Super Bowl party is ON. Time for the chili cookoff! |
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| Jolly | Feb 3 2013, 02:52 PM Post #45 |
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Amen. Are you ready for some FOOTBALL!!!! ![]() ![]()
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| Amanda | Feb 3 2013, 03:11 PM Post #46 |
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Aha, and now a word from Jolly. One of the forum members I must have called "brain-damaged"? As IF! ![]() |
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| Luke's Dad | Feb 3 2013, 09:05 PM Post #47 |
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http://s10.zetaboards.com/The_New_Coffee_Room/single/?p=9019296&t=7440755
Now if I wanted to be a jackass, I could start with a rather snarky and childish swipe along the lines of "Take a nice deep breath, and you’ll get on top of your spelling again" but I really don't feel like it. Let's just take this statement the way that it's apparently meant. It seems to me that you are implying here that unless somebody was already brain damaged they wouldn't want to subject themselves to these risks. Wait a minute, not risks but certainties. Ignoring the questionable use of the word certainties (many players have played the game for long careers without cases of CTE, and while the numbers of players coming to light are certainly alarming, it still seems to be a small minority of retired players suffering from CTE) I would say that your implication is pretty clear. So when Jolly states that he wishes that he could have continued, and would have if he had the ability too even after having had a concussion... By the way, is that emoticon really appropriate, especially for somebody in your profession? |
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| Amanda | Feb 3 2013, 11:20 PM Post #48 |
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Garsh, LD. You're just too far ahead of me. I plum forgot Jolly belongs to the players' union. Maybe that's because he wrote about it at 11:50 last night while the remark you carefully linked was from before 7PM. But then again I also wrote that no sane risk:benefit analysis supported playing despite the dangers. I have now said all players are insane to start with, right? Along with:
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| Amanda | Feb 3 2013, 11:27 PM Post #49 |
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I should have quoted your post above, to make sure connections remain clear. No time capsule critiques allowed. |
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| Jolly | Feb 4 2013, 05:29 AM Post #50 |
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Everything in life is risk/benefit. No sane person would drive a car. No sane person would ride a motorcycyle. Since most falls occur in the home and falls are a leading cause of death, seems like any sane person would refrain from standing upright or at least have bubble wrap floors. And most deaths occur in hospitals...why would any sane person go to one? |
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