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New record!; Most violations of trust ever.
Topic Started: Feb 1 2013, 05:04 AM (962 Views)
Mikhailoh
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Seriously - how many trusts could someone break at once? H/T Lisa at WTF.

Highschool math teacher suspended for tweeting a topless twerking photo
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Axtremus
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Keeping narcotics in car on school ground (her "workplace") is about the only justification I can see for her suspension.

There are far worst and far more "violations of trust" elsewhere.
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jon-nyc
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I'd hire her, but not to teach my kids.
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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Klaus
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HOLY CARP!!!
Teachers are humans like anyone else. If she wants to make a fool of herself, fine. It should be of no consequence for her job, though.

The only thing that should matter to the school is whether she is a good teacher.
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Mikhailoh
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When she is making public comments about students being jailbait? Please.
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Klaus
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Mikhailoh
Feb 1 2013, 05:57 AM
When she is making public comments about students being jailbait? Please.
OK, I missed that part. If she brings her pupils into this it is different.
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Mikhailoh
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jon-nyc
Feb 1 2013, 05:38 AM
I'd hire her, but not to teach my kids.
Yes, as a Head Master.
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jon-nyc
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:lol:
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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Axtremus
Feb 1 2013, 05:29 AM
Keeping narcotics in car on school ground (her "workplace") is about the only justification I can see for her suspension.

There are far worst and far more "violations of trust" elsewhere.
Not sure I would call what she had in her car narcotics,but none the less still against the law on school grounds,Just because Colorado pass there weed law doesn't make it ok to have on school grounds,as a teacher she sould have used better judgement,and the jailbait comment not good to put out there in the social media either. Some people are not to sharp,what a waste of her teaching degree.
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Axtremus
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"Jailbait" -- are you sure such label was never used by a male teacher to refer to female students?
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Copper
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Klaus
Feb 1 2013, 05:41 AM
Teachers are humans like anyone else. If she wants to make a fool of herself, fine. It should be of no consequence for her job, though.

The only thing that should matter to the school is whether she is a good teacher.

No way. At a company where I worked in 1977 alcohol in your car in the parking lot was grounds for termination. Being fat was grounds for termination. Getting divorced was grounds for termination.

The people who worked there loved it. We had high standards and we dominated the market.

There's nothing wrong with expecting employees to perform to a high standard. Especially if they like it. It can be really fun being part of a top notch outfit.

And yes I understand that it "doesn't work that way anymore". You know what? It never worked that way except in the top notch outfits.
The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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Axtremus
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Copper
Feb 1 2013, 07:18 AM
Klaus
Feb 1 2013, 05:41 AM
Teachers are humans like anyone else. If she wants to make a fool of herself, fine. It should be of no consequence for her job, though.

The only thing that should matter to the school is whether she is a good teacher.

No way. At a company where I worked in 1977 alcohol in your car in the parking lot was grounds for termination. Being fat was grounds for termination. Getting divorced was grounds for termination.

The people who worked there loved it. We had high standards and we dominated the market.

There's nothing wrong with expecting employees to perform to a high standard. Especially if they like it. It can be really fun being part of a top notch outfit.

And yes I understand that it "doesn't work that way anymore". You know what? It never worked that way except in the top notch outfits.
So ... is that company you referred to still "stop notch" and "dominating the market" today? :blink:
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Copper
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Axtremus
Feb 1 2013, 07:21 AM
So ... is that company you referred to still "stop notch" and "dominating the market" today? :blink:

Most of those guys are retired millionaires.

And yes the company is doing just fine and still dominating, but to a lesser extent. I think it was when they starting allowing fat people in that the results started to sag.

The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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Larry
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Mikhailoh
Feb 1 2013, 06:21 AM
jon-nyc
Feb 1 2013, 05:38 AM
I'd hire her, but not to teach my kids.
Yes, as a Head Master.
:lol2:


I'd be on that like a fat kid on cake..
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Klaus
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Copper
Feb 1 2013, 07:18 AM
No way. At a company where I worked in 1977 alcohol in your car in the parking lot was grounds for termination. Being fat was grounds for termination. Getting divorced was grounds for termination.

The people who worked there loved it. We had high standards and we dominated the market.

There's nothing wrong with expecting employees to perform to a high standard. Especially if they like it. It can be really fun being part of a top notch outfit.

And yes I understand that it "doesn't work that way anymore". You know what? It never worked that way except in the top notch outfits.
A company has no business about what their employees do in their private life. That's one of the fundamental freedoms that distinguishes today's employees from slaves.
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Feb 1 2013, 07:59 AM
A company has no business about what their employees do in their private life. That's one of the fundamental freedoms that distinguishes today's employees from slaves.

That may be true about a government, but definitely not a company.

The relationship between a company and an employee is entirely a voluntary arrangement. At least in this state it is, that isn't true everywhere.

And the continuance of that relationship depends on the continued willingness of each party. The relationship can be terminated by either party at any time for any reason (not protected by law) or no reason.

This is a fundamental freedom that defines freedom.
The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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jon-nyc
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When New York state passed the first child labor laws over a century ago, that was the argument against them.

Should the state limit the right of this 7 year old child to enter into a voluntary contract with this mine owner?


Fortunately Copper's is a minority opinion these days.
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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Copper
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jon-nyc
Feb 1 2013, 08:36 AM

Fortunately Copper's is a minority opinion these days.

You may not believe this, but I am actually against child slavery.

I am however in favor of letting adults have freedom. That includes employers and employees.

I understand that many people are not in a position to deal with this sort of freedom. It is scary business.

For those people you guys can, sadly, make all the rules you want.

However for those who can deal with it the rewards are worth it.
The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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Mikhailoh
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That freedom does not, IMO, apply to jobs where you are entrusted with children. In those jobs one should be expected to display good judgement and to be able to command the respct of students. She can claim neither of those.
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Copper
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Yes, that's the point of allowing the school the freedom to fire her for any reason they like.
The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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Luke's Dad
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Where were these teachers when I was young? All of my elementary teachers were either like Ms. Crabapple from the Simpsons or were like your old Aunt Mabel. In HS we had some of the aging flower children added in.
The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it.
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My building is next to a high school. They have a lighted sign with anouncements. Next week there is a faculty student dance. Is that a
good idea? I see nothing wrong with "socials" Teas or some such,
but dancing together, I just don't know. Does that erode the respect
that kids should have for their teachers? I know it's not like nude Facebook photos.
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Larry
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jon-nyc
Feb 1 2013, 08:36 AM
When New York state passed the first child labor laws over a century ago, that was the argument against them.

Should the state limit the right of this 7 year old child to enter into a voluntary contract with this mine owner?


Fortunately Copper's is a minority opinion these days.
That's a ridiculous comparison, and an incorrect conclusion. Right to work has nothing to do with child labor laws. And right to work is certainly *not* a minority opinion.

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No one was talking about right to work. The thread is about the ability of employers to mandate things like weight, stable marrange, etc. rather the opposite of right to work.
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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Larry
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Copper had just said this:

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The relationship between a company and an employee is entirely a voluntary arrangement. At least in this state it is, that isn't true everywhere.

And the continuance of that relationship depends on the continued willingness of each party. The relationship can be terminated by either party at any time for any reason (not protected by law) or no reason.

This is a fundamental freedom that defines freedom.


Was this not what you were responding to?
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