The Hobby Lobby Case

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The Hobby Lobby Case
Tweet Topic Started: Nov 21 2012, 06:11 PM (256 Views)
Jolly	Nov 21 2012, 06:11 PM Post #1
Geaux Tigers! Posts: 47,617 Group: Members Member #30 Joined: April 19, 2005	http://www.lifenews.com/2012/11/20/judge-obama-admin-can-force-hobby-lobby-to-obey-hhs-mandate/
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Axtremus	Nov 22 2012, 04:51 AM Post #2
HOLY CARP!!! Posts: 35,700 Group: Members Member #15 Joined: April 18, 2005	It's a frivolous case to be brought to court in the first place. The judge made the right decision. Go to single-payer universal healthcare and this would not be a problem.



ivorythumper	Nov 22 2012, 09:15 AM Post #3
I am so adjective that I verb nouns! Posts: 50,666 Group: Members Member #164 Joined: April 24, 2005	Axtremus Nov 22 2012, 04:51 AM It's a frivolous case to be brought to court in the first place. The judge made the right decision. Go to single-payer universal healthcare and this would not be a problem. Constitutional issues are frivolous when faced with a particular political solution that you insist must be implemented? Good grief, Ax.
	The dogma lives loudly within me.


Axtremus	Nov 22 2012, 09:22 AM Post #4
HOLY CARP!!! Posts: 35,700 Group: Members Member #15 Joined: April 18, 2005	There is no constitutional issue in this case at all.



Larry	Nov 22 2012, 09:53 AM Post #5
Mmmmmmm, pie! Posts: 47,996 Group: Members Member #113 Joined: April 22, 2005	Sure there are. The Constitution acknowledges the right of religious freedom. The owners of Hobby Lobby have a right to practice their religion as they deem fit. To require them to provide something that goes against their religious beliefs and convictions is a clear case of the government infringing on their religious freedom. If you don't like the way they run their business, don't get a job there. YOU have the right not to work there. But you do NOT have the right to demand that they compromise their religious beliefs in order to convenience you, or to comply with some government law or regulation. So yes, it is squarely a constitutional issue.
	Of the Pokatwat Tribe


Steve Miller	Nov 22 2012, 11:59 AM Post #6
Bull-Carp Posts: 7,637 Group: Members Member #25 Joined: April 19, 2005	Larry Nov 22 2012, 09:53 AM But you do NOT have the right to demand that they compromise their religious beliefs ... to comply with some government law or regulation. Yeah, you do. Court said so.
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Larry	Nov 22 2012, 12:55 PM Post #7
Mmmmmmm, pie! Posts: 47,996 Group: Members Member #113 Joined: April 22, 2005	Then the court is wrong, and has just contradicted the Constitution.
	Of the Pokatwat Tribe


JBryan	Nov 22 2012, 01:07 PM Post #8
I am the grey one Posts: 28,082 Group: Members Member #32 Joined: April 19, 2005	This will undoubtedly go all the way to the Supreme Court and any ruling will be based on the First Amendment. If that doesn't make it a constitutional issue I don't know what does.
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ivorythumper	Nov 22 2012, 06:56 PM Post #9
I am so adjective that I verb nouns! Posts: 50,666 Group: Members Member #164 Joined: April 24, 2005	Axtremus Nov 22 2012, 09:22 AM There is no constitutional issue in this case at all. Simply because the lower court decided the Constitutional grounds in a way that supports your view that a particular political solution that you prefer must be implemented does not mean there is no Constitutional issue.
	The dogma lives loudly within me.


Red Rice	Nov 23 2012, 02:26 PM Post #10
HOLY CARP!!! Posts: 10,491 Group: Members Member #447 Joined: April 12, 2007	Axtremus Nov 22 2012, 04:51 AM It's a frivolous case to be brought to court in the first place. The judge made the right decision. Go to single-payer universal healthcare and this would not be a problem. You're right: in Canada it's not a problem. That's because the person who wants the morning-after pill has to pay for it herself.
	Civilisation, I vaguely realized then - and subsequent observation has confirmed the view - could not progress that way. It must have a greater guiding principle to survive. To treat it as a carcase off which each man tears as much as he can for himself, is to stand convicted a brute, fit for nothing better than a jungle existence, which is a death-struggle, leading nowhither. I did not believe that was the human destiny, for Man individually was sane and reasonable, only collectively a fool. I hope the gunner of that Hun two-seater shot him clean, bullet to heart, and that his plane, on fire, fell like a meteor through the sky he loved. Since he had to end, I hope he ended so. But, oh, the waste! The loss! - Cecil Lewis

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