Not Good Enough to be Bishops

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Not Good Enough to be Bishops
Tweet Topic Started: Nov 20 2012, 12:06 PM (460 Views)
Renauda	Nov 20 2012, 12:06 PM Post #1
HOLY CARP!!! Posts: 10,507 Group: Members Member #505 Joined: September 5, 2007	I was kind of hoping that the Church of England would rise to the occasion but alas it's not to be for a least a while longer. Church of England general synod votes against women bishops I reckon its laity is just as stodgy as in the other churches.



John D'Oh	Nov 20 2012, 12:11 PM Post #2
MAMIL Posts: 53,812 Group: Members Member #276 Joined: October 19, 2005	It's only a matter of time, I think. Needing to get 66% in all three votes seems a bit excessive, although admittedly rather typical of the C of E.
	What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?


AndyD	Nov 20 2012, 12:38 PM Post #3
Senior Carp Posts: 2,239 Group: Members Member #418 Joined: January 2, 2007	The Bishops & Clergy should just tell their flock what's right and get on with it.
	Every morning the soul is once again as good as new, and again one offers it to one's brothers & sisters in life.


John D'Oh	Nov 20 2012, 12:41 PM Post #4
MAMIL Posts: 53,812 Group: Members Member #276 Joined: October 19, 2005	I suspect the percentage of stodgy old Tories in the laity is a little higher than the national average.
	What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?


Dewey	Nov 20 2012, 12:42 PM Post #5
HOLY CARP!!! Posts: 17,117 Group: Members Member #74 Joined: April 19, 2005	It really is hard to believe that in this day and age, this would still be an issue. Grrrr...
	"By nature, i prefer brevity." - John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, p. 685. "Never waste your time trying to explain yourself to people who are committed to misunderstanding you." - Anonymous "Oh sure, every once in a while a turd floated by, but other than that it was just fine." - Joe A., 2011 I'll answer your other comments later, but my primary priority for the rest of the evening is to get drunk." - Klaus, 12/31/14


kenny	Nov 20 2012, 12:54 PM Post #6
HOLY CARP!!! Posts: 35,599 Group: Members Member #27 Joined: April 19, 2005	Their women know their place.



John D'Oh	Nov 20 2012, 01:20 PM Post #7
MAMIL Posts: 53,812 Group: Members Member #276 Joined: October 19, 2005	Dude, this is the Church of England Laity, the last time they knocked anybody up George V was on the throne.
	What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?


Aqua Letifer	Nov 20 2012, 01:44 PM Post #8
ZOOOOOM! Posts: 45,901 Group: Members Member #262 Joined: September 22, 2005	John D'Oh Nov 20 2012, 01:20 PM Dude, this is the Church of England Laity, the last time they knocked anybody up George V was on the throne. Uh... while George V was "on the throne"? Y'all Englishfolk are pretty kinky.
	I cite irreconcilable differences.


JBryan	Nov 20 2012, 02:40 PM Post #9
I am the grey one Posts: 28,082 Group: Members Member #32 Joined: April 19, 2005	Bashing bishops now no less.
	"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter.


ivorythumper	Nov 20 2012, 04:10 PM Post #10
I am so adjective that I verb nouns! Posts: 50,666 Group: Members Member #164 Joined: April 24, 2005	That "sensus fidelium" is a bitch when it's not your own sensus.
	The dogma lives loudly within me.


Jolly	Nov 20 2012, 08:28 PM Post #11
Geaux Tigers! Posts: 47,617 Group: Members Member #30 Joined: April 19, 2005	The Bible does not call women to be bishops.
	*The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.*- George Soros


ivorythumper	Nov 20 2012, 10:59 PM Post #12
I am so adjective that I verb nouns! Posts: 50,666 Group: Members Member #164 Joined: April 24, 2005	Jolly Nov 20 2012, 08:28 PM The Bible does not call women to be bishops. Do you guys have any bishops? (I realize some Baptists take the title as a pastor) How does ordination work? Imposition of hands? What would the specific role mean as opposed to the folks in the pews?
	The dogma lives loudly within me.


Renauda	Nov 21 2012, 06:00 AM Post #13
HOLY CARP!!! Posts: 10,507 Group: Members Member #505 Joined: September 5, 2007	Jolly Nov 20 2012, 08:28 PM The Bible does not call women to be bishops. As if that's a valid criterion for being called to administrate an organization.



John D'Oh	Nov 21 2012, 06:13 AM Post #14
MAMIL Posts: 53,812 Group: Members Member #276 Joined: October 19, 2005	Jolly Nov 20 2012, 08:28 PM The Bible does not call women to be bishops. Considering who the Supreme Governor of the Church of England is, another fine example of English irony. Obviously, this title isn't mentioned in the Bible, although clearly it ought to be. Also, the C of E allows the little ladies to be vicars, just not Bishops, so there's a disconnect.
	What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?


Dewey	Nov 21 2012, 06:51 AM Post #15
HOLY CARP!!! Posts: 17,117 Group: Members Member #74 Joined: April 19, 2005	Quote: Considering who the Supreme Governor of the Church of England is, another fine example of English irony. Teh Winn3r.
	"By nature, i prefer brevity." - John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, p. 685. "Never waste your time trying to explain yourself to people who are committed to misunderstanding you." - Anonymous "Oh sure, every once in a while a turd floated by, but other than that it was just fine." - Joe A., 2011 I'll answer your other comments later, but my primary priority for the rest of the evening is to get drunk." - Klaus, 12/31/14


Mikhailoh	Nov 21 2012, 07:05 AM Post #16
If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead Posts: 92,842 Group: Members Member #181 Joined: April 26, 2005	John D'Oh Nov 20 2012, 01:20 PM Dude, this is the Church of England Laity, the last time they knocked anybody up George K was on the throne. FIFY.
	Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball


John D'Oh	Nov 21 2012, 07:55 AM Post #17
MAMIL Posts: 53,812 Group: Members Member #276 Joined: October 19, 2005	The Times (not exactly a bastion of liberalism) says: Quote: "What happened yesterday will be horribly familiar to leaders of political parties that have lost their way. The process was hijacked by a small but highly motivated group of fundamentalists more interested in factional organisation, textual analysis and strict orthodoxy than in the real world and how people live their lives. "When such people take over any body it drifts away from common sense." I wonder if he's ever visited here.
	What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?


Aqua Letifer	Nov 21 2012, 07:57 AM Post #18
ZOOOOOM! Posts: 45,901 Group: Members Member #262 Joined: September 22, 2005	Quote: leaders of political parties that Whoops.
	I cite irreconcilable differences.


Dewey	Nov 21 2012, 08:04 AM Post #19
HOLY CARP!!! Posts: 17,117 Group: Members Member #74 Joined: April 19, 2005	John D'Oh Nov 21 2012, 07:55 AM The Times (not exactly a bastion of liberalism) says: Quote: "What happened yesterday will be horribly familiar to leaders of political parties that have lost their way. The process was hijacked by a small but highly motivated group of fundamentalists more interested in factional organisation, textual analysis and strict orthodoxy than in the real world and how people live their lives. "When such people take over any body it drifts away from common sense." I wonder if he's ever visited here. Probably just before writing that paragraph, I'd guess.
	"By nature, i prefer brevity." - John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, p. 685. "Never waste your time trying to explain yourself to people who are committed to misunderstanding you." - Anonymous "Oh sure, every once in a while a turd floated by, but other than that it was just fine." - Joe A., 2011 I'll answer your other comments later, but my primary priority for the rest of the evening is to get drunk." - Klaus, 12/31/14


John D'Oh	Nov 21 2012, 08:06 AM Post #20
MAMIL Posts: 53,812 Group: Members Member #276 Joined: October 19, 2005	Quote: Whoops. A strongly worded letter to The Times has long been the last refuge of people who live in the 19th Century - why not give it a go?
	What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?


Renauda	Nov 21 2012, 08:07 AM Post #21
HOLY CARP!!! Posts: 10,507 Group: Members Member #505 Joined: September 5, 2007	Dewey Nov 21 2012, 06:51 AM Quote: Considering who the Supreme Governor of the Church of England is, another fine example of English irony. Teh Winn3r. An understatement.



Renauda	Nov 21 2012, 12:57 PM Post #22
HOLY CARP!!! Posts: 10,507 Group: Members Member #505 Joined: September 5, 2007	Enjoy: Religion still the main threat to Church's Credibility: As the Church�s general synod voted against the ordination of female bishops, the public agreed it was sad indeed that anyone still believed in a temperamental, invisible sky-being.



Jolly	Nov 21 2012, 07:42 PM Post #23
Geaux Tigers! Posts: 47,617 Group: Members Member #30 Joined: April 19, 2005	ivorythumper Nov 20 2012, 10:59 PM Jolly Nov 20 2012, 08:28 PM The Bible does not call women to be bishops. Do you guys have any bishops? (I realize some Baptists take the title as a pastor) How does ordination work? Imposition of hands? What would the specific role mean as opposed to the folks in the pews? Here's a quick synopsis on women pastors: http://www.baptist2baptist.net/printfriendly.asp?ID=58 Ordination is not done by the denomination, each congregation is autonomous. Typically, a congregation will ask a council of pastors to review a candidate for ordination. They'll look at his salvation story, his pastoral calling and what qualifications he may have. The council will give him an up or down vote and the church can choose to abide by their decision, or not. Some other FAQ's: http://www.sbc.net/aboutus/faqs.asp#13 My early background is in Free Methodism, not the UMC...either way, those churches do have Bishops. The UMC does have a few female Bishops, which I feel is not Biblical.
	*The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.*- George Soros

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