The Corporate Blackmailing of America is Now All the Rage

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The Corporate Blackmailing of America is Now All the Rage
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Steve Miller	Nov 18 2012, 09:28 AM Post #126
Bull-Carp Posts: 7,637 Group: Members Member #25 Joined: April 19, 2005	Larry Nov 15 2012, 09:56 AM I will order pizzas from Papa Johns now precisely because they're doing this. This, and I'm glad you're here. If Papa starts randomly firing one employee every week just to keep the other ones on their toes, will you start ordering larger pizzas? Or multiples? More importantly, would you encourage your friends to do so?
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JBryan	Nov 18 2012, 09:35 AM Post #127
I am the grey one Posts: 28,082 Group: Members Member #32 Joined: April 19, 2005	Axtremus Nov 18 2012, 09:17 AM JBryan Nov 18 2012, 01:05 AM It sure is funny how the conservative model did not get a single Republican vote. Some compromise. Because Republicans have gone from Conservatism to Obstructionism. I think if you look closely you would find that it is because it is not a "conservative model" at all, nor was there any compromise on the part of Democrats. If Republicans tried to obstruct the monstrosity now known as Obamacare then God bless 'em because there was nothing conservative about it.
	"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter.


John D'Oh	Nov 18 2012, 09:36 AM Post #128
MAMIL Posts: 53,812 Group: Members Member #276 Joined: October 19, 2005	Steve Miller Nov 18 2012, 09:28 AM Larry Nov 15 2012, 09:56 AM I will order pizzas from Papa Johns now precisely because they're doing this. This, and I'm glad you're here. If Papa starts randomly firing one employee every week just to keep the other ones on their toes, will you start ordering larger pizzas? Or multiples? More importantly, would you encourage your friends to do so? I thought Larry owned a pizza place - talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face
	What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?


ivorythumper	Nov 18 2012, 10:02 AM Post #129
I am so adjective that I verb nouns! Posts: 50,666 Group: Members Member #164 Joined: April 24, 2005	Steve Miller Nov 18 2012, 09:02 AM Jolly Nov 17 2012, 09:50 AM multi-million dollar practice ... sits on the boards of two banks That happens when you don't have any competition. Sounds like the new guy would have a good shot at picking up a lot of the patients with insurance as well, But I'm more intrigued by what Larry told us - that he would trade only at Papa John's pizza from now on because Papa treats his employees poorly. I already gave a more plausible answer in post #21. BTW, Why do you think that any other employer would act differently than you presumably do?
	The dogma lives loudly within me.


Steve Miller	Nov 18 2012, 10:15 AM Post #130
Bull-Carp Posts: 7,637 Group: Members Member #25 Joined: April 19, 2005	ivorythumper Nov 18 2012, 10:02 AM BTW, Why do you think that any other employer would act differently than you presumably do? I offer insurance to all employees - both full and part time. I pay half. Some take me up on it, some don't. I also offer paid holidays. Not very many, but they are there and everyone knows what they are up front. What I don't do - which is what Papa is doing - is change the terms of employment (by cutting hours, etc.) once a person has been hired.
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Jolly	Nov 18 2012, 12:51 PM Post #131
Geaux Tigers! Posts: 47,617 Group: Members Member #30 Joined: April 19, 2005	Quote: That happens when you don't have any competition. Sounds like the new guy would have a good shot at picking up a lot of the patients with insurance as well, Not really. The guy with the established rep didn't quit practicing, he just quit Medicaid. And if you think you can make it solely on what Medicaid pays - you won't. Another thing...but something not near as PC...Medicaid patients are among the very worst patients a practice can have. They tend to miss more appointments than other people, they tend to be rude to staff and the folks paying full-boat don't want to put up with that stuff in the waiting room. You take Medicaid patients to flesh our numbers for ease of production or to fulfill a communal need.
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Mikhailoh	Nov 18 2012, 01:02 PM Post #132
If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead Posts: 92,842 Group: Members Member #181 Joined: April 26, 2005	They are also the absolute worst as far as compliance, which pretty much guarantees poor outcomes. In accountability based reimbursement it is folly to try to rate the physician without rating the patients.
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ivorythumper	Nov 18 2012, 01:14 PM Post #133
I am so adjective that I verb nouns! Posts: 50,666 Group: Members Member #164 Joined: April 24, 2005	Steve Miller Nov 18 2012, 10:15 AM ivorythumper Nov 18 2012, 10:02 AM BTW, Why do you think that any other employer would act differently than you presumably do? I offer insurance to all employees - both full and part time. I pay half. Some take me up on it, some don't. I also offer paid holidays. Not very many, but they are there and everyone knows what they are up front. What I don't do - which is what Papa is doing - is change the terms of employment (by cutting hours, etc.) once a person has been hired. I'm glad, and not surprised to hear this. Have you noticed a rate increase in the past year? Also, does your company have enough employees to fall under the mandate? If it were growing in that direction would you hire as many full time employees and go over the threshold, or would you hire more part time employees and stay under the threshold?
	The dogma lives loudly within me.


Larry	Nov 18 2012, 01:37 PM Post #134
Mmmmmmm, pie! Posts: 47,996 Group: Members Member #113 Joined: April 22, 2005	Steve Miller Nov 18 2012, 09:28 AM Larry Nov 15 2012, 09:56 AM I will order pizzas from Papa Johns now precisely because they're doing this. This, and I'm glad you're here. If Papa starts randomly firing one employee every week just to keep the other ones on their toes, will you start ordering larger pizzas? Or multiples? More importantly, would you encourage your friends to do so? Until you stop misrepresenting what I said and putting your own interpretation of the situation onto my comment, there's no way for me to answer you. The very reason I asked you the questions I did was actually to try to get you to see just how many false assumptions you had jumped to. Let me sort it out for you: 1. I never said I would only trade at Papa Johns. 2. I never said I would trade at Papa Johns because they treat their employees poorly. 3. Your claim to the contrary aside, there is nothing that would indicate to me that Papa Johns is treating their employees poorly. As to the "randomly firing one employee every week" question: that has nothing to do with anything. They're not doing that, so your question might as well have been "If the moon is made of cheese will you start shopping at kmart". It's a question constructed on a false premise taken to the heights of ridiculousness. Papa Johns is not a federally owned company. It does not exist for the purpose of funding federal programs. There is no evidence whatsoever that it mistreats its employees.
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Steve Miller	Nov 18 2012, 02:21 PM Post #135
Bull-Carp Posts: 7,637 Group: Members Member #25 Joined: April 19, 2005	ivorythumper Nov 18 2012, 01:14 PM I'm glad, and not surprised to hear this. Have you noticed a rate increase in the past year? Yes, but no more than any other year. I use Kaiser if that makes any difference - they seem to be doing very well and are building big new hospitals all over the place. Quote: Also, does your company have enough employees to fall under the mandate? If it were growing in that direction would you hire as many full time employees and go over the threshold, or would you hire more part time employees and stay under the threshold? No, and its not likely I ever will. That might give me competitive advantage , although I would rather just see a single payer system where employers don't have to be involved in the insurance game. Sadly, that is not likely to happen until after I retire.
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Steve Miller	Nov 20 2012, 10:50 PM Post #136
Bull-Carp Posts: 7,637 Group: Members Member #25 Joined: April 19, 2005	I wuz misinterpretated! Quote: During that same interview, talking about Obamacare I said, though it wasn't widely reported: "The good news is 100% of the population (full-time workers) is going to get health insurance. I'm cool with that." "We're all going to pay for it. There's nothing for free." "And this way I get to provide health insurance and I'm not at a competitive disadvantage ... our competitors are going to have to do the same thing."
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ivorythumper	Nov 20 2012, 10:55 PM Post #137
I am so adjective that I verb nouns! Posts: 50,666 Group: Members Member #164 Joined: April 24, 2005	Not surprising.
	The dogma lives loudly within me.


Steve Miller	Nov 20 2012, 11:13 PM Post #138
Bull-Carp Posts: 7,637 Group: Members Member #25 Joined: April 19, 2005	From the comments: Quote: You were so infuriated by the media's misrepresentation of your remarks that you flew into a fit of almost manic concentration, and were able to pen this masterful explanation in merely 13 days?
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ivorythumper	Nov 20 2012, 11:15 PM Post #139
I am so adjective that I verb nouns! Posts: 50,666 Group: Members Member #164 Joined: April 24, 2005	So do you think he's lying, Steve?
	The dogma lives loudly within me.


OperaTenor	Nov 20 2012, 11:25 PM Post #140
Pisa-Carp Posts: 6,254 Group: Members Member #348 Joined: May 18, 2006	He can pedal backwards faster than the Susan G. Komen foundation!



ivorythumper	Nov 21 2012, 12:17 AM Post #141
I am so adjective that I verb nouns! Posts: 50,666 Group: Members Member #164 Joined: April 24, 2005	Do you think he's lying, OT?
	The dogma lives loudly within me.


OperaTenor	Nov 21 2012, 08:20 AM Post #142
Pisa-Carp Posts: 6,254 Group: Members Member #348 Joined: May 18, 2006	Absolutely.



Steve Miller	Nov 21 2012, 08:40 AM Post #143
Bull-Carp Posts: 7,637 Group: Members Member #25 Joined: April 19, 2005	Lying is such an ugly word. I'd say he altered his public position upon further review of the issue.
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