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| The Corporate Blackmailing of America is Now All the Rage | |
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| ivorythumper | Nov 15 2012, 11:04 AM Post #26 |
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The problem with capitalism is that there are too few capitalists. |
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| Aqua Letifer | Nov 15 2012, 11:06 AM Post #27 |
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No, the problem with capitalism is that capitalists want all of the things! Everywhere! All of it, for themselves and themselves only! And they somehow think this mentality makes the world a better place. |
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| ivorythumper | Nov 15 2012, 11:09 AM Post #28 |
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You should read the distributists. |
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| JBryan | Nov 15 2012, 11:13 AM Post #29 |
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Too many things factor into life expectency from one country to the next to make it a proxy for how effective the health care system is in that country. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| Aqua Letifer | Nov 15 2012, 11:15 AM Post #30 |
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Have any suggestions for what to start with? |
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| ivorythumper | Nov 15 2012, 11:42 AM Post #31 |
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Definitely get into Chesterton and Belloc first... someone put Chesterton's three main works together here. . Also, Belloc's The Servile State, but that is more an analysis of the problem of modern capitalism and not an argument for distributism. There is also the Distributist Review on line with pretty good essays, but I'd start with Chesterton. I don't fully buy the distributist model, since I think there is a real need for investment equity to accomplish a lot a really big ideas (you're probably not going to develop an airplane or a heart medication on a distributivist model), but the cooperative model of business (all the workers are shareholders and owners, and participate in the profits) is part of the model -- which is what is meant by "too few capitalists". |
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| Aqua Letifer | Nov 15 2012, 11:44 AM Post #32 |
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Huh. Y'know I've read a lot of Chesterton already -- he's a fantastic essayist -- but never this kind of material. I'll give these a look next week, thanks. 
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| Copper | Nov 15 2012, 12:19 PM Post #33 |
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Sure, all the really sick ones who need immediate help go to the US. Does that have influence on the mortality rate? |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| Renauda | Nov 15 2012, 12:36 PM Post #34 |
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Funny Copper I don't know of any of my friends, family or friends of friends or family of friends of friends or family who needed immediate emergency medical attention and was refused treatment here or was told they had to wait for treatment. But then I realise you are an indisputable expert in all matters pertaining to the Canadian health care system. |
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| ivorythumper | Nov 15 2012, 12:53 PM Post #35 |
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Then explain this... Sounds like the best of both worlds-- the Canadians get quick health care, the Canadian guv pays for it, and the Michigan hospitals get rack rate for their services. Edited by ivorythumper, Nov 15 2012, 01:10 PM.
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| Renauda | Nov 15 2012, 12:58 PM Post #36 |
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Sorry, but I do not live in Ontario. I cannot explain it, and nor will I try. We are not the US; our federal system is still fully functional despite its apparent flaws. Health care delivery is a provincial jusrisdiction and responsibility. Our system works for us, we do not want what you have in the US. We never have. |
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| Copper | Nov 15 2012, 01:10 PM Post #37 |
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That's why I didn't use the word emergency. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| Renauda | Nov 15 2012, 01:13 PM Post #38 |
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Yeah right. |
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| Copper | Nov 15 2012, 01:14 PM Post #39 |
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Right. If you want more information ask OT. I gave him some nice documentation about long wait times for MRI exams in Canada. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| OperaTenor | Nov 15 2012, 01:14 PM Post #40 |
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The reactions to this article are extremely funny. |
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| ivorythumper | Nov 15 2012, 01:16 PM Post #41 |
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The reactions seem to be in the same spirit as the article -- it is hardly a serious piece of rigorous, detached journalism. |
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| OperaTenor | Nov 15 2012, 01:17 PM Post #42 |
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Unlike you, when Renauda asked to stop using Canada's health care system to prop up my argument for or against the US system, I complied with his request. But then, you've already demonstrated how you have no boundaries. |
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| Copper | Nov 15 2012, 01:19 PM Post #43 |
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I'm not propping up anything. I'm simply answering he post made by somebody else's sock. And while ren may make the rules for you, sadly he doesn't make them for everyone. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| Renauda | Nov 15 2012, 01:33 PM Post #44 |
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OT, even I wouldn't hold that against Copper. He is as afraid of our universal health care insurance system as I am of a possible return to the private system that we abandoned in the 1960's. My concern at the moment is our provincial and federal governments are succumbing to intense lobbying from US corporate interests (insurance, pharma and health care services) that demand unfettered access to this market and without impediment from the Canada Health Act. The threat we face here is a systematic dismantling of a universal health care insurance and service delivery system the people consider to be a core value that distinguishes Canada from its far more powerful southern neighbour.
C'mon c'Reaper, we need more cow bell. |
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| OperaTenor | Nov 15 2012, 02:52 PM Post #45 |
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He doesn't make rules for me or anyone else here. It's simply a matter of common courtesy, an alien concept to you, I'm sure. |
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| ivorythumper | Nov 15 2012, 02:59 PM Post #46 |
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You should reread your Gramsci... |
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| Copper | Nov 15 2012, 03:33 PM Post #47 |
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This constant puffing up and acting holy and acting like you have been attacked is really a tired act. Who do you think you are performing for? You aren't fooling anyone around here. Why don't you have the common courtesy to stop making posts that assume we are all stupid? |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| OperaTenor | Nov 15 2012, 03:47 PM Post #48 |
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Cite where I've acted like i've been attacked. Oh wait, you don't prove any claim you make, I forgot... I don't perform for anyone here; you guys don't pay me. Why don't you have the common courtesy to stop being a tactless troll? |
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| ivorythumper | Nov 15 2012, 03:57 PM Post #49 |
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hmmmm.... |
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| Copper | Nov 15 2012, 04:29 PM Post #50 |
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In darned near every post you write you've been wronged by some sort of injustice. No need to look beyond this post. This crack about me not proving any claims is another ot constant. And now the classic - the other guy is a troll. Priceless. Maybe if you can get ren to lift his prohibition you can explain to us again about Canadian MRI exams. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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