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Bipartisanship; a GOP Senate candidate's point of view
Topic Started: Oct 8 2012, 06:52 AM (298 Views)
Axtremus
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Source: http://swampland.time.com/2012/05/09/70657/

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“I have a mindset that says bipartisanship ought to consist of Democrats coming to the Republican point of view.”

–Republican Senate nominee Richard Mourdock after defeating Richard Lugar in Tuesday’s primary.
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JBryan
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That is exactly what the Democrat's point of view towards bipartisanship appears to be. I wonder if there was not more than a trace of irony in this comment.
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Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

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Axtremus
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JBryan
Oct 8 2012, 06:56 AM
That is exactly what the Democrat's point of view towards bipartisanship appears to be.
Prove it.
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JBryan
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"I won."
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

From The Lion in Winter.
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John D'Oh
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Pretty much the only thing the parties agree about is how the other guys need to come around to their way of thinking.

Well, they probably have a similar opinion of the average voter, too, but they won't make that public.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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JBryan
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On some issues there really can be no other understanding. The differences between the two sides are irreconcilable.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

From The Lion in Winter.
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If a Democrat is willing to cut spending and raise taxes and a Republican is willing only to cut spending, who is the guy who won't compromise?
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JBryan
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Certainly, if the Democrat is proposing genuine cuts and not accounting tricks and other gimmicks then it is the Republican who will not compromise. Unfortunately, spending cuts proposed by Democrats always turn out to be smoke and mirrors if not outright lies. Just look at what Reagan got for his compromise.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

From The Lion in Winter.
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Axtremus
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JBryan
Oct 8 2012, 07:34 AM
Certainly, if the Democrat is proposing genuine cuts and not accounting tricks and other gimmicks then it is the Republican who will not compromise. Unfortunately, spending cuts proposed by Democrats always turn out to be smoke and mirrors if not outright lies.
Of course, that ObamaCare's supposed $716 Billion "cuts" from Medicare that the Romney campaign kept complaining about are really just smoke and mirror too ... the Romney campaign has just been making a mountain out of smoke and mirrors. :D
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The Obama Administration (or the Congressional Democrats) were never honest enough to call those cuts so what is your point? Also, they were not cutting the 716 Billion to lower spending in general but to make that amount available for making Obamacare appear to cost less. Again, what is your point?
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

From The Lion in Winter.
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Axtremus
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Indeed, that's not a cut, and the Obama Administration (and the Congressional Democrats) have been honest to not call it a cut. :)
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JBryan
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So, when they cited 716 Billion dollars in savings from Medicare when they were selling Obamacare those weren't cuts. I would be interested to know how else you get savings. Cutting payments to providers and reducing subsidies for Medicare Advantage are still cuts even if you believe that by some sort of magic they will not affect access or quality.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

From The Lion in Winter.
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Dave Spelvin
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Oct 8 2012, 07:34 AM
Certainly, if the Democrat is proposing genuine cuts and not accounting tricks and other gimmicks then it is the Republican who will not compromise. Unfortunately, spending cuts proposed by Democrats always turn out to be smoke and mirrors if not outright lies. Just look at what Reagan got for his compromise.
Unfortunately, many Republicans have signed Grover Norquist's document, so they cannot raise taxes at all without breaking their promises not to. And you take from this that it's the Democrats who can't or won't compromise?
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Sure, the Democrats are perfectly willing to compromise as long as it ends up in a deal that amounts to we get the donut and you get the hole. Every time they have promised to cut spending in exchange for tax increases they have reneged. Every. Time. It is no wonder many have refused to discuss raising taxes at all until concrete cuts have been enacted. It is the triumph of experience over hope.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

From The Lion in Winter.
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If raising taxes is the subject of the "compromise", I am 100% happy that they are not "compromising"

Sometimes you have to tell the children, "NO!"
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Oct 8 2012, 08:15 AM
If raising taxes is the subject of the "compromise", I am 100% happy that they are not "compromising"

Sometimes you have to tell the children, "NO!"

Yes, exactly.

The goal is not compromise, the goal is, or at least should be, no debt.
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Fist we need a definition of what "raising taxes" is. Is it raising revenues, or raising the tax rate.

But I'm willing to work with you lefties. I'll agree to support a tax rate increase on everybody making over 100K a year if you'd agree to some restrictions to abortion. Deal?

I'll even toss in a ban on the death penalty to sweeten the pot.
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Oct 8 2012, 07:03 AM
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Axtremus
Oct 8 2012, 07:02 AM
JBryan
Oct 8 2012, 06:56 AM
That is exactly what the Democrat's point of view towards bipartisanship appears to be.
Prove it.
Well, there's the "Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act" that passed without any Republican votes.

Couldn't we say in this instance the "Democrats have a mindset that says bipartisanship ought to consist of Republicans coming to the Democrat point of view."

Now there's bipartisanship for you.
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Actually the last time that the President proposed a budget, it got Democrats and Republicans to join together and unanimously reject it. No votes for it, not one. :thumb:
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