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Romney Speech at Fund Raiser; leaked video recording
Topic Started: Sep 17 2012, 06:56 PM (1,734 Views)
Dave Spelvin
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Sep 18 2012, 10:30 AM
Mr. Limbaugh offers his advise to Mr. Romney as well.

Link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/18/rush-limbaugh-mitt-romney_n_1893882.html

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NEW YORK -- Rush Limbaugh advised Republican Presidential nominee Mitt Romney to double down on his controversial remarks made at a closed-door fundraiser that Obama voters are "dependent on government."

On Tuesday's show, Limbaugh repeatedly said that the newly-unearthed video is a "golden opportunity" for the Republican candidate and that he doesn't care how the media is covering it.

"This could be the opportunity for Romney, and for that campaign, to finally take the gloves off and take the fear off and just start explaining conservatism, start explaining liberty to people and what it means." Limbaugh said. "And explain that they don't need to be in that 47 percent. There's no reason for them, for everybody to be -- essentially having given up on their future in this country. There's no reason for it. This is, to me, such an opportunity to espouse conservatism." ...
I heartily agree with Rush Limbaugh. Now is the time for a teaching moment. This should be an easy sell. We just to have it explained to us, then we will all be conservative. I'm sure Romney is up to the challenge.
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Larry
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Ok Dave, time to come clean. Just what kind of drugs are you on?
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Larry
Sep 18 2012, 11:33 AM
Ok Dave, time to come clean. Just what kind of drugs are you on?
No drugs ... Dave has just been reading more of my posts lately. :)
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Larry
Sep 18 2012, 11:33 AM
Ok Dave, time to come clean. Just what kind of drugs are you on?
He's not on drugs, he's just bitterly clinging to his vision from 2008.
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
Anyone who could make the statement Dave made with a straight face isn't just a Koolaid drinker, they've grown gills.
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Sep 18 2012, 11:35 AM
Larry
Sep 18 2012, 11:33 AM
Ok Dave, time to come clean. Just what kind of drugs are you on?
No drugs ... Dave has just been reading more of my posts lately. :)
That explains it!

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Sep 18 2012, 11:39 AM
Anyone who could make the statement Dave made with a straight face isn't just a Koolaid drinker, they've grown gills.
It's just a mental disease. Nothing to see here.
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Sep 18 2012, 09:39 AM
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Sep 18 2012, 08:59 AM
Anyway, I think you have to be pretty obtuse not to understand what Romney was saying. It will be very interesting to see if the Obama campaign and MSM are sufficiently able to keep the electorate distracted from the real question they need to ask themselves heading into the voting booth. Sure, Romney should stick to scripted teleprompter speeches like Obama does. Much less chance of straying off message that way or saying something exploitable.
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Exactly.
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When I first heard about this clip last night, my first reaction was "So what?"

I couldn't believe it was a big story when I woke up today (well, I can believe it given the media bias), but still.... he isn't worried about the 47% who already are voting for Obama. So what? Obama's not worrying about the 40+% voting for Romney either... both are competing for that middle 5-10%.

Half of the country pays no income taxes and 47% receives some sort of government assistance. So what? That's a true statement, although it's not the SAME 47% that vote for Obama, I'd wager there is likely a higher number of Obama supporters who see nothing wrong with those stats compared to Romney's camp and that's what he was obviously getting at.

Either way...... I'll put it this way. Not the most politically correct statement, but he was speaking off the cuff to supporters, and I kept waiting for the "I can't believe he said that!" moment as I watched the video, and that moment never really came.
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Sep 18 2012, 06:38 PM
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Liberals pay taxes, conservatives do not, obviously.



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Sep 18 2012, 07:07 PM
Liberals pay taxes, conservatives do not, obviously.

Just shut up and do your patriotic duty.

And thanks for the money, sucker. :lol2:
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Sep 18 2012, 07:22 PM
OperaTenor
Sep 18 2012, 07:07 PM
Liberals pay taxes, conservatives do not, obviously.

Just shut up and do your patriotic duty.

And thanks for the money, sucker. :lol2:
Acts 20:35. :)
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Axtremus
Sep 18 2012, 07:39 PM
ivorythumper
Sep 18 2012, 07:22 PM
OperaTenor
Sep 18 2012, 07:07 PM
Liberals pay taxes, conservatives do not, obviously.

Just shut up and do your patriotic duty.

And thanks for the money, sucker. :lol2:
Acts 20:35. :)
Exactly, which is why we are giving all you liberals the opportunity to be blessed. Bask in it. :lol2:
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Sep 18 2012, 11:16 AM
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Sep 18 2012, 09:48 AM
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Sep 18 2012, 03:21 AM
I'm just observing from the outside, but it seems to me that Romney's campaign, including the blunders, is consistent with his behavior in the nomination process. I really wonder why the GOP could not come up with a stronger candidate. I've recently seen some videos of Ronald Reagan in the 1981 election campaign. I assume that Obama would be toast if he had an opponent like that.
There is only one Reagan in this race and he is Obama -- flawed but with charisma enough to carry him through.
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You're right, Larry. Obama is a vastly greater president than Reagan. I stand corrected. Shouldn't have uttered the two names in the same sentence.
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Sep 18 2012, 07:07 PM
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Sep 18 2012, 06:38 PM
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Liberals pay taxes, conservatives do not, obviously.

Never thought of Wyoming as a bastion of liberalism. North Dakota either, for that matter.
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Sep 18 2012, 06:38 PM
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So what you're saying is that even Romney's gaffes are uninformed :lol:
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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Sep 18 2012, 08:02 AM
More evidence that Romney is a silver spooned wazzock.
I am not sure what a wazzock is but it seems like that name would be a good slogany nickname for Romney.

I'd send it in.
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I don't know why people keep calling it a gaffe. It was stone cold Truth.

Apparently, people enjoy a smooth lie and find the Truth repugnant.
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Of course, as Kinsley said, a gaffe is when a politician unintentionally tells the truth.
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There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

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Perhaps he did tell us the truth about how he sees the country, though as I pointed out above and Lowry's and Ponneru's pieces confirmed, its not a vision that corresponds to the real world.
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Jolly
Sep 19 2012, 04:01 AM
I don't know why people keep calling it a gaffe. It was stone cold Truth.

Apparently, people enjoy a smooth lie and find the Truth repugnant.
It's not really true that 47% of the population pay no income tax, as noted in the Guardian article above. Whether 47% of the population really consider themselves to be victims is open to some debate, but based on my personal experience of Americans, that also doesn't seem likely. Obviously, Mitt Romney knows way more regular folks than I do, since he gets to spend quality time with butlers, chauffers, investment bankers, boyz in da hood, etc. so his estimates of how normal people feel are bound to be more accurate than mine.

in any event, it's a gaffe because it's losing him votes. His job isn't to tell the truth, he's a politician.
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Sep 19 2012, 04:01 AM
I don't know why people keep calling it a gaffe. It was stone cold Truth.

Apparently, people enjoy a smooth lie and find the Truth repugnant.
Which parts do you think are "stone cold Truth" Jolly? Here's the pertinent quote on the 47%

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There are 47% of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47% who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government is responsible for them, who believe they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what... These are people who pay no income tax... my job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.
"47% are with Obama" - ok sure that's true. It's higher than that, but 47% is true. So I'll just put this into the stone cold Truth column for you.

"All right, there are 47% who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government is responsible for them, who believe they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it." Is any of this part of your "stone cold Truth"? Which parts?

"These are people who pay no income tax" That same 47%? Stone cold Truth? Or not? And are you focused solely on federal income tax? What about SS, or Medicare taxes? Those are income based. So are state and local taxes. Shouldn't those taxes reduce the 47% number, thereby making it 'untrue'?

"my job is not to worry about those people" Shouldn't the president worry about America as a whole, and not just some percentage of it based on who they voted for? Surely you don't see this statement as stone cold Truth, do you?

"I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives." Best case scenario this is simply a throwaway editorial comment for Mitt. I doubt even he believes it. But do you? Stone cold Truth - or not?
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Dan
Sep 19 2012, 06:31 AM

"These are people who pay no income tax" That same 47%? Stone cold Truth? Or not? And are you focused solely on federal income tax? What about SS, or Medicare taxes? Those are income based. So are state and local taxes. Shouldn't those taxes reduce the 47% number, thereby making it 'untrue'?

And don't forget all the Mexicans who have to pay tax when they send the money home. They pay tax too.

To be fair we all know Mr. Romney was talking about federal income tax.

But there is no need to be fair here so carry on.
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Holy Cow Copper! Think what would happen to our whole forum if we suddenly instituted a "need to be fair" rule! The whole place would go up in flames. :lol:

Besides, Jolly's the one that said Romney's statement was the "stone cold Truth". Not me. Not Romney. I was simply asking fairly for him to clarify his statement.
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