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Romney Speech at Fund Raiser; leaked video recording
Topic Started: Sep 17 2012, 06:56 PM (1,735 Views)
Axtremus
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John D'Oh
Sep 18 2012, 05:44 AM
Who are these people who pay no taxes?

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Romney's headline assertion that 47% of Americans pay no income tax is almost correct, assuming he was referring to federal income tax. The Tax Policy Centre said that in 2011 46.4% of people paid no federal income tax. But his suggestion that such people do not "take personal responsibility and care for their lives" warrants further investigation.

Firstly, some of those people who did not pay income tax still paid payroll taxes, for social security and Medicare, so that it was only 18.1% of households that did not pay any income or payroll taxes. Given that there are sales taxes, state property taxes and state income taxes these people are still paying some tax – at what point you are deemed to be taking personal responsibility is subjective.

Of the 18.1% paying no income or payroll taxes, more than half (10.3% of all households) were elderly, so retired people who may well have paid income and payroll taxes, as well as others, during their working lives. Of the remainder, 6.9% of all households did not pay income or payroll taxes, essentially because they were poor, leaving 1% of "others" who did not pay either of these two types of taxes. ...
Wait ... so Romney wrote off 39.1% of the voters because of a misunderstanding? :blink:
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Klaus
Sep 18 2012, 01:05 AM

What do the current polls say? Can he still win, or is the race over?

The current polls say whatever the author of the current polls want them to say.

You want a poll that says Klaus will be the next president? We can make that happen.

This is the new world of polls. The keyword is skew. You can make the election end before it starts if you do it correctly.

Of course the risk is that your supporters might stay home because they believe the nonsense.
The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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John D'Oh
Sep 18 2012, 05:44 AM
BTW, can we trust the Guardian on this? :huh:
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John D'Oh
Sep 18 2012, 05:44 AM


:wave:
The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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Axtremus
Sep 18 2012, 06:28 AM
John D'Oh
Sep 18 2012, 05:44 AM
BTW, can we trust the Guardian on this? :huh:
They're a quality British newspaper renowned for their objectivity and quality. Of course you can.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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From the National Review online:
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/322393/how-romney-should-respond-john-o-sullivan#

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... Romney cannot make that and other arguments if he begins by withdrawing his remarks or, worse, by apologizing for them. An apology, moreover, would confirm the still-latent suspicion that he is unduly nervous and a flip-flopper.

What Romney should do is call a press conference, play the tape, and then announce that he stands by what he said. In the course of affirming his broad argument, he can correct the minor inaccuracies easily enough. ... ed that he is not backing off, Romney can make the following points in short order:

1. Americans pay so many taxes that it’s hard to list them all. But here’s a partial list. [Unrolling a chart at this point might help.]

2. We pay so many taxes that we sometimes forget how many and how much, as I briefly did. It will be my job in the next seven weeks to remind Americans just how many and how much. [Unroll another chart at this point.] So this has been a good wake-up call for me.

3. Many people receiving benefits are getting back from the government some or all of what they paid in through hidden taxes. But government takes a heavy service charge from us when it circulates our money back and forth to us. [Picture of one of those GSA parties at this point.]

4. Those voters who pull the Democratic lever because of what the government gives them are not just being bribed, they’re being bribed with their own money. Don’t be a sucker — especially not a two-time sucker.

5. Most people receiving tax-funded benefits are the victims of excess government (point 4) or of the Obama economy and large-scale long-term unemployment. What they want is not a life on the dole but a chance to get a decent job to support their families. Excess government threatens that chance — and Obama believes in excess government.

6. The Republican party and I stand for an economy that will generate more jobs, more opportunities, and more prosperity.

7. Are there some Americans who have become so discouraged in the Obama economy that they have given up and resigned themselves to a life of dependency on government? Yes, there are some — not 47 percent, but some. Will they vote for me? Some will because they prefer opportunity to dependency, but maybe not too many. But I make them a promise now all the same: As president, I will work hard to craft a welfare policy that brings them back into the mainstream of society and enables them to live the best lives of which they are capable.

8. So make up your mind: Do you want an America on welfare or an America at work? Because that’s the choice.

Romney should then leave without taking questions, perhaps issuing a detailed statement of these points later.
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Mr. Trump is also offering his advise to Mr. Romney:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81328.html?hp=l1_b1

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Donald Trump said Tuesday that Mitt Romney shouldn’t apologize for his remarks dismissing nearly half of Americans as dependent on government and out of the reach of his campaign, adding “what [Romney] said is probably what he means.”

“He has to not apologize; I think we’ve seen enough apologizing already,” Trump said on NBC’s “Today.” “He cannot apologize. What he said is probably what he means, and he did say ‘inartfully stated.’ The fact is he cannot apologize; he is going for those independents. He won’t get the votes of a lot of people he’s discussing, and if you’re not going to get the votes, let’s go on with it.”
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(hat tip John Galt)

Back story on how the video was leaked and disseminated:

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/18/13938614-how-the-romney-video-leaked-for-carters-it-was-personal?lite

Apparently a James Carter IV (yes, President Jimmy Carter's grand son) played a key role.
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More evidence that Romney is a silver spooned wazzock.
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Sep 18 2012, 08:02 AM
More evidence that Romney is a silver spooned wazzock.
More evidence that even rich heirs of rich failed POTUS can't get
job's under Mr. Obama.

Carter said he is currently unemployed and has not been paid for his work by the Obama campaign or any other political organization. What motivated him at first was Romney's role at Bain Capital and the controversy over whether the GOP candidate as a businessman had invested in companies that outsourced jobs overseas.

I'M NOT YELLING.........I'M ITALIAN...........THAT'S HOW WE TALK!


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From what I read, Romney also made rather clumsy remarks about Palestinia.

Shouldn't it be obvious to him that every single sentence he makes in public will be recorded by somebody and, if applicable, used by the political opponent against him?
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VPG
Sep 18 2012, 08:17 AM
Renauda
Sep 18 2012, 08:02 AM
More evidence that Romney is a silver spooned wazzock.
More evidence that even rich heirs of rich failed POTUS can't get
job's under Mr. Obama.

Carter said he is currently unemployed and has not been paid for his work by the Obama campaign or any other political organization. What motivated him at first was Romney's role at Bain Capital and the controversy over whether the GOP candidate as a businessman had invested in companies that outsourced jobs overseas.

Okay so Obama's a jug-eared buffon. I knew that.
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Vote for the silver spooned wazzock, he's not a jug-eared buffoon!
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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jon-nyc
Sep 18 2012, 06:19 AM
Yeah, my view is that he was conflating a few different ideas in his head, one of which has a basis in fact.
Rich Lowry's take as well.

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There are many problems with it starting with the fact, as has already been pointed out in here, that he jumbled together three different groups (the almost half of the country that’s going to support Obama no matter what; the roughly half of households that get government benefits; the half of “tax units” that don’t pay taxes). Since we’re all in amateur-political-consultant mode, I would counsel disentangling and better explaining what he was trying to say about each of those groups. He shouldn’t back off at all on the point that too many people are dependent on government. Nor on the point that some people do think of themselves as victims and don’t take responsibility for their lives. But he should make it clear that he doesn’t think they are half the country, and also make it clear that he knows many hard-working people don’t pay federal income taxes, although they do pay other taxes and if they could earn more income, would pay federal income taxes, too. The overall impression of Romney at this event is of someone who overhead some conservative cocktail chatter and maybe read a conservative blog or two, and is thoughtlessly repeating back what he heard and read.
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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John D'Oh
Sep 18 2012, 08:36 AM
Vote for the silver spooned wazzock, he's not a jug-eared buffoon!
I swore I wouldn't read threads about the election but never could resist a D'Ohism.

You Sir D'Oh just deftly summed up the absurdity of today's American political process in a post that's even funnier than the brouhaha over Harry's buttcheeks or Kate's boobs.

Simply, sig-worth.
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I heard on GMA that Romney had a press conference last night where he in fact did not apologize or back off his comments. All these pundits seem to write as if they did not know this?

Anyway, I think you have to be pretty obtuse not to understand what Romney was saying. It will be very interesting to see if the Obama campaign and MSM are sufficiently able to keep the electorate distracted from the real question they need to ask themselves heading into the voting booth. Sure, Romney should stick to scripted teleprompter speeches like Obama does. Much less chance of straying off message that way or saying something exploitable.
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Sep 18 2012, 08:59 AM
Anyway, I think you have to be pretty obtuse not to understand what Romney was saying. It will be very interesting to see if the Obama campaign and MSM are sufficiently able to keep the electorate distracted from the real question they need to ask themselves heading into the voting booth. Sure, Romney should stick to scripted teleprompter speeches like Obama does. Much less chance of straying off message that way or saying something exploitable.
Ayup.
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Sep 18 2012, 04:19 AM
Klaus
Sep 18 2012, 03:21 AM
I'm just observing from the outside, but it seems to me that Romney's campaign, including the blunders, is consistent with his behavior in the nomination process. I really wonder why the GOP could not come up with a stronger candidate. I've recently seen some videos of Ronald Reagan in the 1981 election campaign. I assume that Obama would be toast if he had an opponent like that.
There is only one Reagan in this race and he is Obama -- flawed but with charisma enough to carry him through.
My God.


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Only in a world filled with so many village idiots could statements of truth be ridiculed and lies be held up as truth.


Here's the deal - "palestinians" are NOT interested in peace. That is a flat fact. Anyone who thinks they are has sh!t for brains.

Almost half this country is either not paying taxes, or on the government dole. MORE than half - I would guess 80% wouldn't be too far off target - are too f*cking stupid to tie their own shoes, much less form a rational decision on who to vote for.

Republicans have a bad habit of eating their young. They're too concerned with appearing to be "fair" and "civil". Screw that. The democrats have no problem whatsoever in dealing in lies, distortions, and downright dishonest tactics. It's time the Republicans played their game.

Here are some examples of the typical voter that supports Obama, and how they should be dealt with:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqYW1-NzZNE
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Link:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/09/mother-jones-to-release-full-video-today-135856.html?hp=t2_3

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Mother Jones will be publishing the full Romney donor video in two parts, 49.5 minutes total, at 2:30 EDT.


I hope YouTube/Google is prepared for the video traffic surge.
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Mr. Limbaugh offers his advise to Mr. Romney as well.

Link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/18/rush-limbaugh-mitt-romney_n_1893882.html

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NEW YORK -- Rush Limbaugh advised Republican Presidential nominee Mitt Romney to double down on his controversial remarks made at a closed-door fundraiser that Obama voters are "dependent on government."

On Tuesday's show, Limbaugh repeatedly said that the newly-unearthed video is a "golden opportunity" for the Republican candidate and that he doesn't care how the media is covering it.

"This could be the opportunity for Romney, and for that campaign, to finally take the gloves off and take the fear off and just start explaining conservatism, start explaining liberty to people and what it means." Limbaugh said. "And explain that they don't need to be in that 47 percent. There's no reason for them, for everybody to be -- essentially having given up on their future in this country. There's no reason for it. This is, to me, such an opportunity to espouse conservatism." ...
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Larry
Sep 18 2012, 10:13 AM
MORE than half - I would guess 80% wouldn't be too far off target - are too f*cking stupid to tie their own shoes, much less form a rational decision on who to vote for.
And the smartest 10% aren't allowed to freaking vote because they're not citizens, and what's more are too busy cleaning up everybody else's drool to even have the time!
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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Larry
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Here's another example of a typical Obama supporter:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUNuFHuZFWA&feature=related


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John D'Oh
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Is Michael Savage one of the 20% of Americans who've learned to tie their own shoelaces?

I'm guessing he attended night school for that.
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Larry
Sep 18 2012, 09:48 AM
Dave Spelvin
Sep 18 2012, 04:19 AM
Klaus
Sep 18 2012, 03:21 AM
I'm just observing from the outside, but it seems to me that Romney's campaign, including the blunders, is consistent with his behavior in the nomination process. I really wonder why the GOP could not come up with a stronger candidate. I've recently seen some videos of Ronald Reagan in the 1981 election campaign. I assume that Obama would be toast if he had an opponent like that.
There is only one Reagan in this race and he is Obama -- flawed but with charisma enough to carry him through.
My God.


You're right, Larry. Obama is a vastly greater president than Reagan. I stand corrected. Shouldn't have uttered the two names in the same sentence.
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