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Romney Speech at Fund Raiser; leaked video recording
Topic Started: Sep 17 2012, 06:56 PM (1,730 Views)
Axtremus
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HOLY CARP!!!
The leaked video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnB0NZzl5HA



Politico article on Romney's response:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81312.html?hp=t1_3

More videos collected at:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/secret-video-romney-private-fundraiser
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VPG
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So because of this Damning video 47% of the people will now go over to Obama. Thanks Ax that's really need to know info.

I'M NOT YELLING.........I'M ITALIAN...........THAT'S HOW WE TALK!


"People say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look."
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Axtremus
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VPG
Sep 17 2012, 07:16 PM
So because of this Damning video 47% of the people will now go over to Obama.
According to Romney, these 47% are already with Obama anyway, and Romney thought that before this video was leaked. :shrug:
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OH!
I'M NOT YELLING.........I'M ITALIAN...........THAT'S HOW WE TALK!


"People say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look."
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Pay no attention to that economy behind the curtain!
Kincaid - disgusted Republican Partisan since 2006.
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Not sure why this is a such a big revelation, much less a nail in his coffin. Anyone who is against that sort of entitlement at all (even if Romney's number of 47% is improbably high) won't be dissuaded from voting for him since a lot of his support is ABO anyway; and anyone who is circulating the video to "expose" his position is already just preaching to the choir.
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Klaus
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Judging from what I read, it seems to me that Romney's chances become slimmer every day.

What do the current polls say? Can he still win, or is the race over?
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Klaus
Sep 18 2012, 01:05 AM
Judging from what I read, it seems to me that Romney's chances become slimmer every day.

What do the current polls say? Can he still win, or is the race over?
It doesn't look good for him at this point. THough its still close enough that anything is possible.

You're starting to see conservative pundits throwing up their hands in disbelief at what looks like is going to be a missed opportunity, and you're also seeing dissention in the ranks of the campaign. Those are normally the result of, not the cause of, a failing campaign.
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jon-nyc
Sep 18 2012, 02:19 AM
You're starting to see conservative pundits throwing up their hands in disbelief at what looks like is going to be a missed opportunity, and you're also seeing dissention in the ranks of the campaign. Those are normally the result of, not the cause of, a failing campaign.
Examples of the former:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443524904577649932701725706.html?mod=opinion_newsreel

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/321091/wheres-mitt-michael-walsh


And examples of the latter:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81280.html?hp=t1
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And, of course, videos like this are part and parcel of a failing campaign. There are reasonable arguments one can make about the virtues of a tax paying culture instead of writing huge swaths of the population completely out of the tax code. Romney didn't make a nuanced and serious argument. He had a blunderbuss fail. The guard was down and out blabbed a face palm moment. By itself, I guess you could laugh it off and wait till things die down, but if you are serious member of the Republican establishment, you have to be fretting about that lost opportunity.
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Ramesh Ponneru's take:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-17/the-right-is-wrong-to-pin-obama-s-edge-on-welfare-state.html
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I'm just observing from the outside, but it seems to me that Romney's campaign, including the blunders, is consistent with his behavior in the nomination process. I really wonder why the GOP could not come up with a stronger candidate. I've recently seen some videos of Ronald Reagan in the 1981 election campaign. I assume that Obama would be toast if he had an opponent like that.
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Jolly
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Romney still has a chance. Two reasons:

1. The debates.
2. Broken glass voters. If you look at polls of likely voters, rather than the population at large, the race is still very close.
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Just sent Peggy Noonan a text. Hoping to meet her later at a hotel bar.

I am just guessing she wrote her weekly column in five minutes and I want to know what she said.
"Perhaps the thing to do is just to let stupid run its course." Aqua
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John D'Oh
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Jolly
Sep 18 2012, 03:26 AM
If you look at polls of likely voters, rather than the population at large, the race is still very close.
Well that's a big change from a few weeks back when Obama was going to suffer the most spectacular loss in American history. :D
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Sep 18 2012, 03:34 AM
Jolly
Sep 18 2012, 03:26 AM
If you look at polls of likely voters, rather than the population at large, the race is still very close.
Well that's a big change from a few weeks back when Obama was going to suffer the most spectacular loss in American history. :D
Please point out where I ever said that.
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I think it may have been your partner in crime :)
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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Klaus
Sep 18 2012, 03:21 AM
I'm just observing from the outside, but it seems to me that Romney's campaign, including the blunders, is consistent with his behavior in the nomination process. I really wonder why the GOP could not come up with a stronger candidate. I've recently seen some videos of Ronald Reagan in the 1981 election campaign. I assume that Obama would be toast if he had an opponent like that.
There is only one Reagan in this race and he is Obama -- flawed but with charisma enough to carry him through.
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In fact, Jolly is on record agreeing with me that the 45th Presdient will be Jeb Bush in 2016. That was a while ago, however, and he afterward became more optimistic about Romney's chances.

Larry is the one who always said Obama had no chance.
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How coincidental that it came out and became the main story the very week that Obama's foreign policy is disintegrating.
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Not so fast.

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The Ronald Reagan of October 1980 was not the Reagan of "morning again in America" in 1984, let alone the beloved focus of national mourning in 2004. Many Americans saw the 1980 Reagan as uninformed, reckless, and given to gaffes and wild claims. But despite their misgivings about Reagan, and their view that Carter was a peach of a guy personally, voters opted against four more years of Carter.


http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/07/youre-likable-enough-mitt/
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Sep 18 2012, 04:55 AM
How coincidental that it came out and became the main story the very week that Obama's foreign policy is disintegrating.
Do you think they might have even stupider remarks on file ready to release in response to further Obama screw ups?

This election is like a chess tournament for people suffering from brain injuries.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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Mikhailoh
Sep 18 2012, 04:55 AM
How coincidental that it came out and became the main story the very week that Obama's foreign policy is disintegrating.
For one, that's all kinds of a red herring argument. Romney made the statement regardless of what Obama was doing that day.

I have an opinion similar to David Brooks in this case. Without even talking about the tax issue, Romney's word choice reveals his misunderstanding about how "entitlements" work.

It's not about people demanding from the government that they buy them a house; that's ridiculous. The prosperity of our country gives us the luxury of providing social programs for our citizens, depending on what we decide it should provide. Student loans are a perfect example: they're not part of the basic functions of government, but we provide them if we as citizens decide it's worth the cost in tax dollars to do so.

You're not either a hard-working honest American or a freeloading, worthless bum. That's the point Romney appears to miss and more generally, that's the problem I have with almost all of our political rhetoric. Everything gets simplified and dumbed down into an either/or, for/against, good/bad kind of choice and the world just doesn't work that way.

I did like his comments at the end, though, about how to garner support for his campaign. I, for one, do not like the guy.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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Who are these people who pay no taxes?

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Romney's headline assertion that 47% of Americans pay no income tax is almost correct, assuming he was referring to federal income tax. The Tax Policy Centre said that in 2011 46.4% of people paid no federal income tax. But his suggestion that such people do not "take personal responsibility and care for their lives" warrants further investigation.

Firstly, some of those people who did not pay income tax still paid payroll taxes, for social security and Medicare, so that it was only 18.1% of households that did not pay any income or payroll taxes. Given that there are sales taxes, state property taxes and state income taxes these people are still paying some tax – at what point you are deemed to be taking personal responsibility is subjective.

Of the 18.1% paying no income or payroll taxes, more than half (10.3% of all households) were elderly, so retired people who may well have paid income and payroll taxes, as well as others, during their working lives. Of the remainder, 6.9% of all households did not pay income or payroll taxes, essentially because they were poor, leaving 1% of "others" who did not pay either of these two types of taxes. Presumably, within the "others" category would fall the likes of six of the 400 US tax filers in 2009 with the highest adjusted gross income (at least $77m), who, according to Internal Revenue Service studies, paid no US income tax, and the 19,551 US households with income above $200,000 who owed no US or foreign income tax.
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Yeah, my view is that he was conflating a few different ideas in his head, one of which has a basis in fact.

I don't think this was any nail in his nearly sealed coffin, rather its just yet another bad news cycle for the guy.
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