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| Romney Speech at Fund Raiser; leaked video recording | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Sep 17 2012, 06:56 PM (1,730 Views) | |
| Axtremus | Sep 17 2012, 06:56 PM Post #1 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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The leaked video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnB0NZzl5HA Politico article on Romney's response: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81312.html?hp=t1_3 More videos collected at: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/secret-video-romney-private-fundraiser |
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| VPG | Sep 17 2012, 07:16 PM Post #2 |
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Pisa-Carp
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So because of this Damning video 47% of the people will now go over to Obama. Thanks Ax that's really need to know info. |
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I'M NOT YELLING.........I'M ITALIAN...........THAT'S HOW WE TALK! "People say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look." Ronald Reagan, Inaugural, 1971 | |
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| Axtremus | Sep 17 2012, 07:35 PM Post #3 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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According to Romney, these 47% are already with Obama anyway, and Romney thought that before this video was leaked.
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| VPG | Sep 17 2012, 08:14 PM Post #4 |
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Pisa-Carp
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OH! |
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I'M NOT YELLING.........I'M ITALIAN...........THAT'S HOW WE TALK! "People say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look." Ronald Reagan, Inaugural, 1971 | |
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| Kincaid | Sep 17 2012, 08:27 PM Post #5 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Pay no attention to that economy behind the curtain! |
| Kincaid - disgusted Republican Partisan since 2006. | |
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| ivorythumper | Sep 17 2012, 09:22 PM Post #6 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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Not sure why this is a such a big revelation, much less a nail in his coffin. Anyone who is against that sort of entitlement at all (even if Romney's number of 47% is improbably high) won't be dissuaded from voting for him since a lot of his support is ABO anyway; and anyone who is circulating the video to "expose" his position is already just preaching to the choir. |
| The dogma lives loudly within me. | |
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| Klaus | Sep 18 2012, 01:05 AM Post #7 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Judging from what I read, it seems to me that Romney's chances become slimmer every day. What do the current polls say? Can he still win, or is the race over? |
| Trifonov Fleisher Klaus Sokolov Zimmerman | |
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| jon-nyc | Sep 18 2012, 02:19 AM Post #8 |
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Cheers
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It doesn't look good for him at this point. THough its still close enough that anything is possible. You're starting to see conservative pundits throwing up their hands in disbelief at what looks like is going to be a missed opportunity, and you're also seeing dissention in the ranks of the campaign. Those are normally the result of, not the cause of, a failing campaign. |
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| jon-nyc | Sep 18 2012, 02:28 AM Post #9 |
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Cheers
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Examples of the former: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443524904577649932701725706.html?mod=opinion_newsreel http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/321091/wheres-mitt-michael-walsh And examples of the latter: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81280.html?hp=t1 |
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| Piano*Dad | Sep 18 2012, 02:52 AM Post #10 |
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Bull-Carp
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And, of course, videos like this are part and parcel of a failing campaign. There are reasonable arguments one can make about the virtues of a tax paying culture instead of writing huge swaths of the population completely out of the tax code. Romney didn't make a nuanced and serious argument. He had a blunderbuss fail. The guard was down and out blabbed a face palm moment. By itself, I guess you could laugh it off and wait till things die down, but if you are serious member of the Republican establishment, you have to be fretting about that lost opportunity. |
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| jon-nyc | Sep 18 2012, 03:09 AM Post #11 |
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Cheers
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Ramesh Ponneru's take: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-17/the-right-is-wrong-to-pin-obama-s-edge-on-welfare-state.html |
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| Klaus | Sep 18 2012, 03:21 AM Post #12 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I'm just observing from the outside, but it seems to me that Romney's campaign, including the blunders, is consistent with his behavior in the nomination process. I really wonder why the GOP could not come up with a stronger candidate. I've recently seen some videos of Ronald Reagan in the 1981 election campaign. I assume that Obama would be toast if he had an opponent like that. |
| Trifonov Fleisher Klaus Sokolov Zimmerman | |
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| Jolly | Sep 18 2012, 03:26 AM Post #13 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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Romney still has a chance. Two reasons: 1. The debates. 2. Broken glass voters. If you look at polls of likely voters, rather than the population at large, the race is still very close. |
| The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros | |
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| RosemaryTwo | Sep 18 2012, 03:30 AM Post #14 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Just sent Peggy Noonan a text. Hoping to meet her later at a hotel bar. I am just guessing she wrote her weekly column in five minutes and I want to know what she said. |
| "Perhaps the thing to do is just to let stupid run its course." Aqua | |
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| John D'Oh | Sep 18 2012, 03:34 AM Post #15 |
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MAMIL
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Well that's a big change from a few weeks back when Obama was going to suffer the most spectacular loss in American history.
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| Jolly | Sep 18 2012, 03:36 AM Post #16 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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Please point out where I ever said that. |
| The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros | |
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| John D'Oh | Sep 18 2012, 03:40 AM Post #17 |
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MAMIL
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I think it may have been your partner in crime
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| What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket? | |
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| Dave Spelvin | Sep 18 2012, 04:19 AM Post #18 |
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Fulla-Carp
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There is only one Reagan in this race and he is Obama -- flawed but with charisma enough to carry him through. |
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| jon-nyc | Sep 18 2012, 04:19 AM Post #19 |
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Cheers
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In fact, Jolly is on record agreeing with me that the 45th Presdient will be Jeb Bush in 2016. That was a while ago, however, and he afterward became more optimistic about Romney's chances. Larry is the one who always said Obama had no chance. |
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| Mikhailoh | Sep 18 2012, 04:55 AM Post #20 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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How coincidental that it came out and became the main story the very week that Obama's foreign policy is disintegrating. |
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| QuantumIvory | Sep 18 2012, 05:00 AM Post #21 |
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Senior Carp
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Not so fast.
http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/07/youre-likable-enough-mitt/ |
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"I regard consciousness as fundamental. We cannot get behind consciousness." -Max Planck | |
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| John D'Oh | Sep 18 2012, 05:10 AM Post #22 |
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MAMIL
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Do you think they might have even stupider remarks on file ready to release in response to further Obama screw ups? This election is like a chess tournament for people suffering from brain injuries. |
| What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket? | |
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| Aqua Letifer | Sep 18 2012, 05:14 AM Post #23 |
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ZOOOOOM!
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For one, that's all kinds of a red herring argument. Romney made the statement regardless of what Obama was doing that day. I have an opinion similar to David Brooks in this case. Without even talking about the tax issue, Romney's word choice reveals his misunderstanding about how "entitlements" work. It's not about people demanding from the government that they buy them a house; that's ridiculous. The prosperity of our country gives us the luxury of providing social programs for our citizens, depending on what we decide it should provide. Student loans are a perfect example: they're not part of the basic functions of government, but we provide them if we as citizens decide it's worth the cost in tax dollars to do so. You're not either a hard-working honest American or a freeloading, worthless bum. That's the point Romney appears to miss and more generally, that's the problem I have with almost all of our political rhetoric. Everything gets simplified and dumbed down into an either/or, for/against, good/bad kind of choice and the world just doesn't work that way. I did like his comments at the end, though, about how to garner support for his campaign. I, for one, do not like the guy. |
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| John D'Oh | Sep 18 2012, 05:44 AM Post #24 |
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MAMIL
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Who are these people who pay no taxes?
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| What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket? | |
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| jon-nyc | Sep 18 2012, 06:19 AM Post #25 |
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Cheers
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Yeah, my view is that he was conflating a few different ideas in his head, one of which has a basis in fact. I don't think this was any nail in his nearly sealed coffin, rather its just yet another bad news cycle for the guy. |
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