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Progressive multiculturalism is no match for Islamic fundamentalism.
Topic Started: Jun 14 2012, 05:30 PM (1,218 Views)
Axtremus
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Larry,

Kindly share what you understand multiculturalism to be.
Thanks.
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Larry
Jun 15 2012, 10:36 AM
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Larry: Pop culture has always been fueled by multiculturalism. How do you think jazz, blues, R&B and rock & roll developed?



Dave, like most liberals today, you don't seem to understand the meaning of "multiculturalism".

From Wiki. Are they wrong?
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John D'Oh
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Wikipedia is written entirely by communists, Europeans, intellectuals and other ne'er do wells. In other words people who struggle to tell the difference between

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Axtremus
Jun 15 2012, 10:40 AM
Larry,

Kindly share what you understand multiculturalism to be.
Thanks.
I'm more interested in what do about the big load of sh!t spread all over my second best pair of shoes.

What a mistake to make!
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Wikipedia is written entirely by communists, Europeans, intellectuals and other ne'er do wells.

Granted. But even so, I don't know how the meaning of the word varies depending on one's political perspective. I don't know how to think about the sentence "Multiculturalism is bad" because there is no period of which I'm aware that there wasn't multiculturalism. It's so present, so part of the fabric of existence, that I don't see how it can be good or bad.
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John D'Oh
Jun 15 2012, 10:56 AM
Axtremus
Jun 15 2012, 10:40 AM
Larry,

Kindly share what you understand multiculturalism to be.
Thanks.
I'm more interested in what do about the big load of sh!t spread all over my second best pair of shoes.

What a mistake to make!
I got lucky and picked the Shinola this time. Score!
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Wait - is Shinola a hair pomade or a shoe polish?

I think I've made two mistakes.

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Jun 15 2012, 11:33 AM
Wait - is Shinola a hair pomade or a shoe polish?

I think I've made two mistakes.

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If you've been using it in your hair, you're definitely a liberal. Welcome to the club! We've got the good comedians and most of the artists and authors but, well, we can't tell sh!t from Shinola.
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I expected the response you gave, Dave. There is a difference between multicultural and Progressive Multiculturalism. America has been multicultural from the beginning.

But the man in the article specifically referred to Progressive Multiculturalism, and that is what I'm discussing.

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I don't know how to think about the sentence "Multiculturalism is bad" because there is no period of which I'm aware that there wasn't multiculturalism. It's so present, so part of the fabric of existence, that I don't see how it can be good or bad.


There is a movement that says having multiple culturally/ethnically distinct sub populations is a good thing, that we should encourage the presence of such sub populations and actively protect them against dissolution.

Personally I disagree with this notion - assimilation ftw.
Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem
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How can people have different ideas of what multiculturalism means?
I understand that people can implement such ideas in extremely disparate ways, but how could people not agree on the meaning of the word?

Three simple parts etymologically: multi - cultural - ism.
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Jun 15 2012, 01:23 PM
How can people have different ideas of what multiculturalism means?
Caused by our multicultural backgrounds.
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kluurs
Jun 15 2012, 02:44 PM
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Jun 15 2012, 01:23 PM
How can people have different ideas of what multiculturalism means?
Caused by our multicultural backgrounds.
Indeed, not everyone has the privilege of being able to claim an English pedigree. It's also a consoling accomodation to the also rans residing in continental Europe such as the French and the Germans.
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Moonbat
Jun 15 2012, 12:09 PM
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I don't know how to think about the sentence "Multiculturalism is bad" because there is no period of which I'm aware that there wasn't multiculturalism. It's so present, so part of the fabric of existence, that I don't see how it can be good or bad.


There is a movement that says having multiple culturally/ethnically distinct sub populations is a good thing, that we should encourage the presence of such sub populations and actively protect them against dissolution.

Personally I disagree with this notion - assimilation ftw.
Man. I just agreed with Moonbat for the SECOND TIME!!!

You must be maturing. :lol2:



But seriously, I agree with you wholeheartedly. Assimilation does not mean lockstep, nor does it mean our society will not be influenced by people from all over. It already has been. It just mean E Pluribus Unum, baby. This ain't the Balkans. Yet.
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KlavierBauer
Jun 15 2012, 01:23 PM
How can people have different ideas of what multiculturalism means?
I understand that people can implement such ideas in extremely disparate ways, but how could people not agree on the meaning of the word?

Three simple parts etymologically: multi - cultural - ism.
Without getting too Clintonian, I'd guess the difference is in what 'ism' means.

The genius of the Roman empire was precisely their multi-cult-ural approach: when conquering cities they would negotiate with the genii loci which protected the city walls to grant them a place in the Roman pantheon. Once the genius loci no longer protected the city, it could not stand against invasion. And so Rome was dotted with temples to all the various gods throughout the empire, and everyone within those cults were accepted as Roman citizens.
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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Mick Jagger has been celebrating drugs, sex, getting no satisfaction, wiggling his tongue and everything else far longer than Madonna.

Anyhoo, I'm getting the whiff of hate for other cultures reading some of the comments in this thread, so I'll exit.
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We also need to define the term 'progressive'.

I believe the term comes from ancient Greek gladiators, who were paid to be aggressive, hence they were known as professionally aggressive, which was later shortened to progressive, indicating that they had moved beyond their animalistic natures and fought simply for the purposes of money and logic.

Obviously, actual scholars would dismiss this explanation as a load of Shinola, which just goes to show how important a classical education is.
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Jun 15 2012, 12:08 PM
But the man in the article specifically referred to Progressive Multiculturalism, and that is what I'm discussing.

Larry,

Kindly share with us what you understand Progressive Multiculturalism to mean.
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America has been multicultural from the beginning.


I'm not going to get into a big snitfest with you over this; or derail your conversation with DS - but as to this quote, no, history shows us that's actually not true. While people from cultures other than the dominant white Anglo culture were welcome to live and work here, as of the Naturalization Act of 1790, U.S. citizenship was open only to "free white males" of "good moral character;" and at that time, "white" was limited only to Anglo/Scot/Irish (and originally, not even all of them), Nordic/Scandinavian, French, and Germanic people - even Eastern Europeans were considered other, inferior races. Citizenship to anyone not fitting that qualification was prohibited. Natural-born females were citizens of second class, non-voting status. But blacks, Native Americans, Asians, and as already mentioned, those from other nations and ethnicities not considered "white" were barred from citizenship, and if they came here, they were expected to adapt to the Anglo-American culture. Further, citizenship was passed on only through fathers, so even native-born white children with non-citizen fathers weren't eligible for citizenship. Only with the 14th Amendment, ratified in 1868, was any native-born person, regardless of parents' citizenship, given citizenship status. But even then, it wasn't until two years later, in 1870, when non-native-born black immigrants were granted eligibility for naturalized citizenship. And despite the 14th Amendment, it wasn't until a Supreme Court ruling in 1898 that native-born Asian children of non-native-born Asian parents were considered citizens. In 1882, Chinese-born immigrants were specifically barred from citizenship, and in 1917 this ban was extended to all Asians. As incredible as it sounds, non-native-born Asians would have to wait to be granted eligibility for US citizenship, partially in 1943, again partially in 1952, and incredibly, not fully until 1965. Full citizenship for Native Americans wasn't granted until 1924. Many Hispanics, Eastern Europeans and people from other Mediterranean ethnicities gradually became eligible for citizenship in the '20s, by going to court to change their official race to become legally "white."

So while it's accurate to say that there have been multiple cultures extant within the nation since its beginning, it is not at all accurate to say that the nation itself has been in any reasonable sense of the word "multicultural." Non-Anglo Protestant cultures were tolerated, in varying degrees, often without eligibility for citizenship and full access to the political process or to other cultural institutions, if, and only if, they were willing to accept this second-class status, and to accept the dominance and official superiority of that white Anglo Protestant culture. That's hardly any meaningful kind of multiculturalism.
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Congratulations Dewey, for missing the f*cking point because you think like a liberal.

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No, Larry. You claimed that this country from its inception has been multicultural. I've offered numerous historical facts, and more are available, to point out that your claim is absolutely, undeniably incorrect.

From its very inception, our country has only allowed people from other "races" and ethnicities to emigrate here, but to remain even less than even second-class citizens - non-citizens. And there have been times when some of those people were banned from emigrating here under any circumstances. We have only slowly, grudgingly opened ourselves toward being truly multicultural, where all races are welcome and legally eligible for citizenship and full access and participation within society. All too often throughout the history of our country - and sadly, some still believe today - that the definition of being multicultural meant that people of different cultures could come here, but had to subsume or abandon their own cultures to our dominant white Anglo Protestant culture. As I said in earlier posts, this was not a melting pot, where all races and cultures thrown into the "pot" were changed and blended together, we were actually a big "bleaching pot," where all cultures coming in were supposed to become as white, and Anglo Protestant in culture, as possible - and even if doing that, still being denied citizenship, voting, and full participation in the political and lawmaking process, among other rights reserved to citizens. In fact, what too many people have called being multicultural has, in fact, been nothing more than just an American dhimmitude that we correctly criticize when we see it being implemented by others.

So whenwe talk about being multicultural now, we have to start with an honest and factual understanding of where we've been in the past, and where we are now, and what being "multicultural" really means. In order for it to be true multiculturalism, and for it to be a real strength to our culture, I believe that it should mean something more than tolerant dhimmitude.
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And again, you miss the f*cking point.

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OK, Larry. ^_^
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Madonna, however, has done more than Mr. Bush, the U.S. military or Uncle Sam ever could to stir up passionate hatred among millions of Muslims.


Seriously?

As far as missing the point of what he is saying - the first half of the article reads like a rant by Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells. To be brutally honest, I kind of lost interest after that.
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Mick Jagger has been celebrating drugs, sex, getting no satisfaction, wiggling his tongue and everything else far longer than Madonna.


While I don't think Mick has ever pulled his penis out and waved it at the crowd, I would think him a very poor choice to help build a case for Madonna.
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