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| Why the gay gene has not driven itself extinct? | |
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| KlavierBauer | Jun 15 2012, 09:15 AM Post #26 |
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I suppose if we're talking a large enough time scale, then yes - everyone will have all the advantages and none of the disadvantages (assuming no new advantages or disadvantages are formed). We're talking about a much narrower time scale though, such that things can pass on through small segments of the population without being passed to everyone. My contention isn't that evolution won't eventually select out such genes, I'm merely suggesting that such genes may (at this point in evolution) exist.
Again - I'm not saying being gay is a choice. I'm being clear that nearly all of our actions are choices, such that it is clearly possible for gays to have straight sex, and straights to have gay sex. My point isn't that gay people choose to be gay - I am saying the opposite, but being intellectually honest enough to say that while we're influenced heavily by our genetic makeup, we ultimeately decide what we do with ourselves, which is what makes the situation Kenny describes possible (gay men having families). |
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| Moonbat | Jun 15 2012, 09:52 AM Post #27 |
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I agree they may exist but there must be an explanation for this fact that accounts for them not being already selected out of the population. Evolution has been going on for ~3.6 billion years. Given their prevalence genes associated with homosexuality must have conferred reproductive advantage in the recent evolutionary past. The same is true of all genes that are associated with some reproductively disadvantageous phenotype, the prototypical case is the sickle cell gene, present in a significant portion of the North African populace yet confers a reproductive disadvantage (sickle cell anaemia) - so how why is it there? Because a single copy of the gene confers resistance to malaria and this is a huge reproductive advantage in sub-Saharan Africa.
Apologies I misunderstood - I agree that it's possible to choose our actions (indeed that is pretty much the definition of the word 'choice') |
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| ivorythumper | Jun 15 2012, 09:57 AM Post #28 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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Like all the beauty at Up Your Alley. |
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| kenny | Jun 15 2012, 10:07 AM Post #29 |
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We do your hair, making you more attractive, helping your DNA win the competition over those who had their hair done by a straight person. ![]() I'm only partially kidding here. Beauty makers are useful to breeders. |
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| jon-nyc | Jun 15 2012, 10:16 AM Post #30 |
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Cheers
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Um, ok. As long as no one views that as evidence for or against genetic causes of homosexuality. |
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| kenny | Jun 15 2012, 10:18 AM Post #31 |
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Sure. Just saying, there's been a usefulness for us that has enriched the lives of breeders. Y'all might want to say, "Thanks". |
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| Luke's Dad | Jun 15 2012, 10:29 AM Post #32 |
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That's groupism. |
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| Moonbat | Jun 15 2012, 10:33 AM Post #33 |
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Thanks Kenny :). I think you might be able to make a kin-selection case for homosexuality on these grounds: Having gay genes confers reproductive advantage because it means you're more likely to have gay relatives, and gay relatives mean you have a larger supply of adults looking after you as you make your way from birth to adulthood. (Not of course that we should conflate evolutionary explanations with what we as humans value in ourselves and others) |
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| Frank_W | Jun 15 2012, 10:45 AM Post #34 |
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The term "Breeders" is offensive and insulting. Is this the "tolerance" and "respect" so often espoused by gays? What about straight couples who aren't able to have children? Are they still labeled by the derogatory term, "Breeders," too? The term is entirely moronic. Guess I'll just start referring to gays as dick smokers and carpet munchers. |
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| kenny | Jun 15 2012, 11:02 AM Post #35 |
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You're welcome. ![]() I was also pleased to serve my country during six years of honorable service. Gays are not all lumps of crap yet many right here on TNCR use the comfy privacy of the voting booth to treat us like fresh hot steamy stinky cat turds. |
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| Copper | Jun 15 2012, 11:55 AM Post #36 |
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Shortstop
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Based on posts like that I'd say you get what you deserve ken. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| kenny | Jun 15 2012, 12:45 PM Post #37 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Here's scientific proof that you CAN choose your sexual orientation. Clicky |
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| Frank_W | Jun 18 2012, 05:02 AM Post #38 |
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+1. |
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| Mikhailoh | Jun 18 2012, 05:28 AM Post #39 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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Really? And just who are these people, Kenny? How do you know they do this? What states where we live have even afforded their residents the opportunity to do so? It's just your heterophobia talking. You don't see your own intolerance and bigotry. |
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| Axtremus | Jun 18 2012, 06:13 AM Post #40 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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So if ever afforded such an opportunity, you will vote to affirm legal same-sex marriage, right? I know I would.
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