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Shroud of Turin was one of 40 fakes?
Topic Started: Jun 11 2012, 03:13 PM (718 Views)
KlavierBauer
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I have a great documentary about the Shroud of Turin.
As everyone knows, they did remove the shroud from its case for scientific scrutiny back in the 70s, and then again in the 90s (I think?) which was what this documentary was based on.

The carbon dating was excluded pretty quickly for the reasons mentioned - but there were some other very interesting studies done. Some of it to do with pollens as IT described, and one with fragments of foliage whose images were also imprinted in the shroud, which corresponded to berries from a shrub grown only in one specific region - the region where Jesus was crucified and buried.

I don't know how I feel about the Shroud's authenticity - but I can say that there has been some objective scientific study of the thing, and it has come to different results, none of them very conclusive.
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ivorythumper
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Klaus
Jun 12 2012, 10:25 AM
I guess the owners of the shroud could be a lot more collaborative with regard to a scientific investigation, but obviously there is a strong conflict of interest here: Why should they help destroying a huge "business"?
They are strongly collaborative with independent scientific investigations, Klaus, while primarily caring for the custody of the shroud. E.g., they've given a lot of acces to the late Max Frei (a noted Swiss criminologist), the independent STURP team, the universities of Oxford, Arizona and the ETH Zürich. I'm not sure why your cynicism is warranted.

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Klaus
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Maybe it is not, but if there are doubts about the sample they took in 1988, why don't they allow to investigate the age of a better sample now?
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ivorythumper
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Klaus
Jun 12 2012, 11:15 AM
Maybe it is not, but if there are doubts about the sample they took in 1988, why don't they allow to investigate the age of a better sample now?
Maybe they will. Their primary duty of care is to the custodianship of the shroud, not to appeasing intellectual curiosity. Scientists are still going over the data previously collected.
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John D'Oh
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It's a little known fact that I have the sword Excalibur stuck in the concrete floor of my basement. I don't let any bugger near it, obviously, since my primary job is Ye Olde Custodianshippe of Englande rather than pandering to pencil-knecked scientist types. 3 blokes in lab coats took a look at it in 2003 shortly after they'd brought me back from the clinic and said it looked bloody good to them. I think that pretty much clears it up in my book.
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Mine has bits of sheep stuck to it that have been traced back to Arthurian times by carbon dating. Well, when I say carbon dating I mean Sir Galahad the Pure dated the sheep, and it's now mostly made up of carbon.
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John D'Oh
Jun 12 2012, 12:37 PM
Mine has bits of sheep stuck to it
::shudder::
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Are we talking about John's zipper again?
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Did someone mention a shrubbery?
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ivorythumper
Jun 12 2012, 09:04 AM
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Jun 12 2012, 01:56 AM
I like the infant head of John the Baptist.
interesting....
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ivorythumper
Jun 15 2012, 10:17 PM


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There is some evidence–fragmentary, to say the least–that relics of John the Baptist may have been moved from Jerusalem to Constantinople in the fourth century.


A museum in Istanbul claims to have his forearm and hand, which I saw on display. They also have what they claim to be a beard hair of Mohommad. There's a sign in English near it that says, in effect, 'don't laugh'.

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