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I'd vote to acquit.
Topic Started: Jun 11 2012, 02:11 PM (464 Views)
ivorythumper
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
Texas man beats his daughter's molester to death.
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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Mikhailoh
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They need to ascertain the facts, but if they are as stated? Let the man go. He did the most natural thing in the world.
Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball
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Frank_W
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Mikhailoh
Jun 11 2012, 02:38 PM
They need to ascertain the facts, but if they are as stated? Let the man go. He did the most natural thing in the world.
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KlavierBauer
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HOLY CARP!!!
I was just talking about this on FB with someone - they're all appalled that I'd even question the situation.

I mentioned that it was a bit disconcerting to have everyone so "he got what he deserves."

I agree with using deadly force when it's required - but I also think such a thing is and should be done with great gravity. The taking of a life is still just that, and while this may be justified, I'm a bit horrified to see the "YEAH!!! TEXAS JUSTICE!!! I LOVE 'MURIKA" attitude around it.

If it's as the dad says - in the course of removing the guy from his daughter he hit him repeatedly in the head and accidentally killed him, then I have no problem with this.
"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper
"He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple

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Mikhailoh
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With all due respect, KB, you have never had the experience of being a young girl's father. I'd kill him on the spot too. I doubt I would even give it a second thought at the time.
Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball
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Copper
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Mikhailoh
Jun 11 2012, 02:38 PM
They need to ascertain the facts, but if they are as stated? Let the man go. He did the most natural thing in the world.

Yes.
The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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KlavierBauer
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HOLY CARP!!!
Mik: No disrespect taken. I'm aware that I haven't had children, and that clearly affects things.
It doesn't however, change what I'm saying.
It was also the most "natural thing in the world" for the molester to prey on the little girl - so clearly I'm speaking of acting out on more than our primal instincts.
I'm also in agreement that I don't have a problem with it if the story is as the father says - but I am against the general excited behavior toward taking the lives of those we deem deserving.
"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper
"He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple

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John D'Oh
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MAMIL
I'm the father of a young girl, and while I might well react the same way, I'm also pretty much in agreement with KB on this. I've never liked the way people cheer on this type of thing. It's one short step removed from the baying mobs who occasionally congregate outside courthouses when a particularly nasty crime has been committed. Understandable maybe, but not necessarily right.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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apple
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it's hard for the law to prevail when the law can be so convoluting. look at the Zimmerman fiasco, and that silly football player with the white car who supposedly killed his wife, and any justice bought with money.

I do not fault the father.
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brenda
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The little girl was only four?! Many dads would have done the same, whether they intended to or not.

The article doesn't reflect any cheering, just a consensus that the dad had reason to react strongly in such a stressful situation.
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JBryan
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The father did wrong and should go to trial. The problem will be finding a jury that will convict him.
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KlavierBauer
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HOLY CARP!!!
I've read three articles on this now, and all three tell a slightly different tale - so I'm really not sure what to believe.

I'm totally against the idea that because someone molests your child, you're justified to take their life via blunt force trauma to the head with your bare hands.
That being said, I'm not against the idea of using physical force - as much as is needed - to ensure the safety of your child caught in the same situation. If the perp dies in the process, that's ok, assuming that it's clear that your actions were first and foremost defense of life, rather than destruction of life.

Again - I have no doubt that this would be a natural reaction for many parents, I just don't like the idea that we can be so cavalier with life as to consider this action "right" - especially in this situation, where it appears one man's word is all we have, aside from others present who heard the screams.

I personally don't know that I can ever feel OK taking the life of someone who is not directly threatening mine. Once any potential threat is removed, I no longer feel justified in using force.
For me anyway, that would apply to all life, not just the life I deem worthy, and the life I deem unworthy. I already disagree with the mass-murder of lives deemed unworthy by the majority on other issues, so I have to be consistent here.
Edited by KlavierBauer, Jun 12 2012, 02:16 PM.
"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper
"He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple

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Dewey
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HOLY CARP!!!
I'm the father of two girls, and while I'd want to do the same, I wouldn't. Obviously, not everything our emotions drive us toward is right. And as much as I'd hate him, he doesn't deserve to die, and even if he did, it isn't my place to do the killing. I'd likely pound the crap out of him, but kill him? No.
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John D'Oh
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As far as predicting what we'd do in the same situation, I don't think it's very predictable. I doubt I'd be in my right mind, so who knows?
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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Luke's Dad
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I might very well kill the creep in the same situation, but if I did, I'd like to think that I would plead guilty to manslaughter and take the punishment for my crime as well.

What's the old saw about two wrongs? As time goes on, the more I'm coming to realize those old lessons were dead on.
The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it.
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John D'Oh
Jun 12 2012, 12:42 PM
I'm the father of a young girl, and while I might well react the same way, I'm also pretty much in agreement with KB on this. I've never liked the way people cheer on this type of thing. It's one short step removed from the baying mobs who occasionally congregate outside courthouses when a particularly nasty crime has been committed. Understandable maybe, but not necessarily right.
+1. It's not a damn varsity championship or a fitting coda to your favorite television drama, a girl was molested and the guy was beaten to death for it. I don't see how anyone can find anything in that situation to say "well, good!" about. And you don't have to have a daughter or not have one to criticize mob mentality.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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Jolly
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