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| Documents prove Obama member of Socialist New Party | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jun 7 2012, 07:58 AM (992 Views) | |
| John D'Oh | Jun 7 2012, 10:16 AM Post #26 |
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MAMIL
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The very same thought occurred to me when I completed that part of my Massachusetts tax return dealing with health insurance. |
| What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket? | |
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| George K | Jun 7 2012, 11:03 AM Post #27 |
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One can, I suppose, have a legitimate discussion as to whether that is the purview of the states or the federal government. The current denizen of the White House seems to feel that However, to explicitly deny that he was a member of that party is not an evolution in his position, it's an out and out lie. And again, I ask: why hide it if it's not so bad? |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| John D'Oh | Jun 7 2012, 11:13 AM Post #28 |
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Because he'll lose votes, obviously. |
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| Horace | Jun 7 2012, 11:24 AM Post #29 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Yeah D'oh. How many times do I have to tell you not to engage in behaviors that will eventually do us in? Every time it's the same promises, this is the last time, you won't engage in any more behaviors that will eventually do us in. And next thing I know, I turn around and you're engaging in behaviors that will eventually do us in. I'm at my wits end with this! |
| As a good person, I implore you to do as I, a good person, do. Be good. Do NOT be bad. If you see bad, end bad. End it in yourself, and end it in others. By any means necessary, the good must conquer the bad. Good people know this. Do you know this? Are you good? | |
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| Renauda | Jun 7 2012, 11:30 AM Post #30 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Strange dialect spoken south of the 49th and Alaska. |
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| John D'Oh | Jun 7 2012, 11:51 AM Post #31 |
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MAMIL
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My son loves being an alien. Of course, sooner or later people are going to realise I'm deliberately trying to do them in. |
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| Renauda | Jun 7 2012, 11:53 AM Post #32 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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But of course you are. After all, you must be of the socialist variety. |
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| John D'Oh | Jun 7 2012, 12:03 PM Post #33 |
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I prefer the term post neo-progressive. |
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| Larry | Jun 7 2012, 12:19 PM Post #34 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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I'm one of those who think we are bordering on Socialism. And if you think we're not, YOU are the one who is ignorant. I suggest you look up the New Party - here's the link:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Party_%28United_States%29 After you've read the link to that, specifically once you've read that the New Party is "social democratic", read about "social democracy" - here's the link to that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democratic Given that I was not trying to make the point that we were "bordering on Socialism", perhaps once you've read those two articles you'll figure out what the hell is being discussed. |
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Of the Pokatwat Tribe | |
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| John D'Oh | Jun 7 2012, 12:32 PM Post #35 |
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![]() This photograph, incidentally, is of a waiting room inside an NHS hospital. |
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| Renauda | Jun 7 2012, 12:36 PM Post #36 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Federally, we call them NDPee'ers up this way. In Alberta, they're better known as PeeCee'ers as opposed the more troglodyte, Wild Jackass'ers in opposition. |
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| KlavierBauer | Jun 7 2012, 01:40 PM Post #37 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I understand what's being discussed Larry. John mentioned that 'Socialism' is used as a pejorative term, with little regard to its actual meaning. You countered that wasn't the case at all. I asked you if you could at least see the grain of truth in that sentiment, as we're nowhere near Marxism. That's what I was talking about - and I think many are ignorant of what "Socialism" is if they're under the impression that our growing government is knocking on that door right now - today. I'm not saying it can't get that bad, or that our growing government is good (or even tolerable). I'm simply stating that it isn't Socialism. |
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"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper "He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple | |
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| ivorythumper | Jun 7 2012, 01:48 PM Post #38 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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I'm missing the point here, KB. Is the New Party a socialist party (properly and reasonably so called)? Was Obama a member of it? If yes to both, doesn't that make a pretty solid case for Obama being a true socialist? If so, shouldn't his policies be understood in respect to his political views? |
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| John D'Oh | Jun 7 2012, 01:51 PM Post #39 |
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The first time I ever heard the term 'liberal' used as an insult was after we'd moved to Canada and were subjected to American GOP propoganda from Buffalo, NY. At the time, I laughed like a drain. The joke's got a little stale, I guess. |
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| Axtremus | Jun 7 2012, 01:54 PM Post #40 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Yes, it's stale, that's why they have to switch over to the term "socialist." |
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| KlavierBauer | Jun 7 2012, 02:19 PM Post #41 |
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I don't know, and frankly I don't care. The point John made, and the one I backed up - was that the term "Socialism" is frequently misused to smear liberals. I simply asked if everyone could be intellectually honest enough to at least admit there's some truth in that sentiment. Apparently not everyone can be... |
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"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper "He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple | |
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| ivorythumper | Jun 7 2012, 03:42 PM Post #42 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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OK, so let's simply stipulate, without need for any further discussion, that the term is (or has been) misused to smear some liberals. The Left has been telling us that Obama is/ was not a socialist, and that the term is/ was being used to smear him. Do you think that the evidence supports their denial that he is/ was a socialist? |
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| Aqua Letifer | Jun 7 2012, 03:45 PM Post #43 |
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ZOOOOOM!
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I'm with KB. I don't care about his socialism, and I don't care about any apparent coverup by the left of same. I hear conservatives use the word a lot. [Montoya]I do not think it means what they think it means.[Montoya] |
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| George K | Jun 7 2012, 03:51 PM Post #44 |
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From Then-Candidate Obama's sight: Fight the Smears
From Krutz's article:
Again, if it's not a bad thing, why deny? Probably for the same reason that |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| Aqua Letifer | Jun 7 2012, 03:54 PM Post #45 |
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ZOOOOOM!
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I dunno, you as unsurprised as I am? |
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| Kincaid | Jun 7 2012, 04:04 PM Post #46 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I do care about past lies and cover ups. I also care about socialist tendencies and socialist values in any elected official. I'd like to see more of this evidence of meeting minutes and records. Until then I won't get worked up over it. I would say about 98% of Americans do not understand what Socialism is. |
| Kincaid - disgusted Republican Partisan since 2006. | |
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| Kincaid | Jun 7 2012, 04:05 PM Post #47 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Truthers. Birthers. What will we call the true believers of this? New Partiers? Socializers? |
| Kincaid - disgusted Republican Partisan since 2006. | |
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| Copper | Jun 7 2012, 04:13 PM Post #48 |
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Shortstop
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Wiki backs you up on that.
Of course the definition that matters is the one that paints the opposition as a rat who is out to get you. In that sense Mr. Kurtz is right on the money. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| John D'Oh | Jun 7 2012, 04:57 PM Post #49 |
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I think that Obama is a committed socialist every bit as much as Romney is a committed pro-life conservative. Let's face it, all these guys really care about is getting elected. They'll pander to each and every special interest they can in order to win over that extra 0.5% of the electorate that might make the difference between travelling on Airforce One and being at the back of Sarah Palin's bus (1 careful owner). Throwing out words like 'socialist' is just dumbing down the debate to win over the gullible. Every modern democracy in the world is socialist to some degree. The sooner we can get back to determining whether Obama smoked dope as a teenager, and/or whether Romney has ever drunk caffeinated soda and stayed up way past 10.30 pm, the better. |
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| JBryan | Jun 7 2012, 05:28 PM Post #50 |
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I am the grey one
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I was prepared to believe this obfuscation was due to a misunderstanding but I am beginning to believe there are those who just refuse to see. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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