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| Documents prove Obama member of Socialist New Party | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jun 7 2012, 07:58 AM (991 Views) | |
| Larry | Jun 7 2012, 07:58 AM Post #1 |
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How much more will it take before you Obama defenders finally figure out you're supporting a turd? Proof Obama is a Socialist |
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| Mark | Jun 7 2012, 08:22 AM Post #2 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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If anyone didn't already know this I'm very surprised. He was elected by socialists and by others who really don't know what is real and what is not. Just like his predecessor Bush, who was also a socialist and also elected by socialists and by others who really don't know what is real and what is not. |
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| Larry | Jun 7 2012, 08:26 AM Post #3 |
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How do you figure that Bush is a Socialist? hahahahaha |
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| JBryan | Jun 7 2012, 08:28 AM Post #4 |
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Mark seems to believe that anyone who is not Ron Paul is a socialist. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| Mark | Jun 7 2012, 08:36 AM Post #5 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Wow. Really? Biggest social spending increase in history ring a bell? Big government control of the economy, Spent money like a drunken sailor, NCLB, the list goes on... |
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| John D'Oh | Jun 7 2012, 08:43 AM Post #6 |
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Bush was a big government guy with hawkish foreign policy views typical of those on the right, and centre-right social views. 'Socialist' is mostly used in the US as a political insult, so it's really a meaningless term as far as sensible debate is concerned. You might as well replace the word with 'baby-killer'. |
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| Copper | Jun 7 2012, 08:49 AM Post #7 |
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They can make all that go away by rolling their eyes. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| KlavierBauer | Jun 7 2012, 09:18 AM Post #8 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Mark, stop letting facts get in the way of a good emote. |
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"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper "He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple | |
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| Larry | Jun 7 2012, 09:26 AM Post #9 |
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It's just that kind of complacency that will eventually do us in. |
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| John D'Oh | Jun 7 2012, 09:33 AM Post #10 |
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Actually, what's doing you guys in is your complete and utter disregard for spending beyond your means when it's your own guy in the WH. 'Deficits don't matter' - who was it that said that? Mark's making a pretty good point about Bush's spending. My only point was that people shrieking 'socialist' doesn't really help much. It's just an ill-defined term that can be used to make Americans wet the bed. |
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| KlavierBauer | Jun 7 2012, 09:34 AM Post #11 |
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It's true though Larry - to some extent - you must at least admit that, no? How many people understand the tenants of Socialism vs. how many simply associate it with the libs and their social programs, when in reality the liberals aren't even close to promoting Socialism in its true form. Heck - most of the world that we call Socialists (most of Western Europe) aren't Socialist... I received an email the other day basically comparing the U.S. as it is today, to 1938 Austria, as the Austrians voted to annex. Basically drawing a corollary between our "complacency" in the U.S. today, and Hitler coming to power. It was a very moving piece, and the elderly woman whose voice this was written in had clearly lived through quite an ordeal in her time. I couldn't help but note all of the significant differences between the two things being compared though, and wrote a lengthy reply deconstructing this notion that we're somehow on the "brink" of all-out socialism. Of course I deleted the reply - because I realized it would only do harm with familial relations. Just as you see this kind of complacency as something that will eventually do us in, I see this sort of ignorance as something that pushes us further away from any sort of sensible, aware society. |
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"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper "He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple | |
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| John D'Oh | Jun 7 2012, 09:38 AM Post #12 |
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The problem in the US is that the Democrats want to spend sh!t loads of money they don't have on welfare, and Republicans want to spend sh!t loads of money they don't have on the military. |
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| JBryan | Jun 7 2012, 09:39 AM Post #13 |
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There is no question that Bush did a great many unconservative things but he was a long way from being a Socialist. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| Larry | Jun 7 2012, 09:39 AM Post #14 |
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I will assume that you just called me ignorant. I will also inform you that I am not. |
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| Larry | Jun 7 2012, 09:41 AM Post #15 |
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Defense of our nation and our way of life is not Socialism, and it is exactly what our government is supposed to be spending money on. Handing out money confiscated from the productive to the unproductive leeches is *not* what our government is supposed to be doing with taxpayer money, and it IS Socialism. |
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| John D'Oh | Jun 7 2012, 09:45 AM Post #16 |
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He was more of a jackbooted brownshirt, except obviously without the shirt. Or the boots. He did choke on a prezel, one time, I remember that. And there was that funny picture of him fishing with his dad in post-Katrina New Orleans, although there's just a chance that was tampered with. He did it in spirit, so it doesn't matter. It's not the facts here that are important. It's pretty obvious that Obama is Kenyan Muslim socialist. Proof that America doesn't care what you are, it's who you aren't that matters! |
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| KlavierBauer | Jun 7 2012, 09:47 AM Post #17 |
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Larry - I'm not saying you're ignorant - I asked you a question about the validity, at least in part, of the claim that "socialism" is a buzz word in this country's political arsenal to make someone look bad to Conservatives. I think there are lots of ignorant people out there - and if you're one who thinks we're bordering on Socialism, then yes, I'm saying you're ignorant. I would assume you'd like to not see us head in that direction, which I understand (i.e., not calling you ignorant), rather than assuming that you think we're already there. Could we become Socialist? Yes, I suppose we could - but we're not close to being there right now. |
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"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper "He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple | |
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| John D'Oh | Jun 7 2012, 09:57 AM Post #18 |
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The key part of what I was saying was not what the money is being spent on but the fact that they don't have it to spend in the first place. If I have $1000 dollars, I don't care if $5 is spent on one-legged black lesbians for peace. If I only have $10, I mind a lot. The same applies if people want to use the money to buy votes in cities with an arms industry, or even on drone strikes against bearded stinky people in the hills. Currently, a fair chunk of the money is being spent on defense against a long-term threat from China. The fact that in order to fund this spending the US is having to borrow shed-loads of money from China ought to be giving the careful analyst pause for thought. |
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| JBryan | Jun 7 2012, 09:59 AM Post #19 |
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The discussion seems to have moved from Obama's membership in a party that clearly and enthusiastically self-identifies as Socialist to the use of the term as a pejorative to slander the other side. These two things are not mutually exclusive. Both are true. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| John D'Oh | Jun 7 2012, 10:06 AM Post #20 |
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The questions about Obama's past are pretty much irrelevant at this point. We should all know what he is after 4 years as POTUS. The only real question is do we want another 4? I'm still kind of hoping that Hillary runs. Probably not going to happen at this point
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| JBryan | Jun 7 2012, 10:07 AM Post #21 |
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The question is relevant in terms of what he might do if he does not have a reelection to worry about. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| Copper | Jun 7 2012, 10:09 AM Post #22 |
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That and was he saving the really scary stuff for the second term? |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| John D'Oh | Jun 7 2012, 10:11 AM Post #23 |
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I'm guessing he'll be too busy preparing to write his massively profitable memoirs to do a whole lot. |
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| JBryan | Jun 7 2012, 10:12 AM Post #24 |
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Possibly someone could do us the favor of constantly reminding him how awesome he is and how that awesomeness needs to be conveyed to posterity. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| George K | Jun 7 2012, 10:14 AM Post #25 |
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The other interesting question, to me, at least is this: if being a socialist Is not an issue, why has Obama gone to such lengths to hide it? Of course, all politicians lie but whitewashing your past like this is pretty blatant and self serving. Wait, I did say politician. Never mind. |
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