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| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 2 2012, 11:35 AM (649 Views) | |
| George K | Apr 2 2012, 11:35 AM Post #1 |
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Dubious Donations
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| Der Fuhrer | Apr 2 2012, 11:56 AM Post #2 |
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Junior Carp
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Shoood ein getzig mein crrrrrredit cards cancelledsheit? Iffen ein findze zis frrrrrraudulent felon, he vill meeten mein German sheperd Boopsie! Und Boopsie takenszie nein crrrrrrredit! |
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| somebody else's sock | Apr 2 2012, 01:13 PM Post #3 |
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Middle Aged Carp
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Somehow this seems like a big yawner. Doesn't seem likely that some rich guy is going to sit around and make up fake names in order to exceed the donation limits. They'll just use a Super PAC like this: http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/02/01/416238/romney-donors-evade-contribution-limits/?mobile=nc And I'm sure Obama supporters can and will do the same if they aren't already. Face it, we're screwed. The rich guys rule the roost. |
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| George K | Apr 2 2012, 01:20 PM Post #4 |
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Perhaps. But it opens the door for illegalities. How much effort is it for one person to make a $2499 donation, and then, the next day, do it again, using a different name? In 10 days, you're up to a cool 25 grand. As the article says, several of the donations were traced to foreign sources. Get ten people doing it for ten days, now you're talking a quarter million. Besides, I still want my money back. |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| jon-nyc | Apr 2 2012, 02:35 PM Post #5 |
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Cheers
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But then you'd have to figure out how to get the Obama/Biden bumper sticker off your car so you could send it back. |
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| somebody else's sock | Apr 2 2012, 02:46 PM Post #6 |
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Middle Aged Carp
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Heck, they even tell you on Obama's donation page a (presumably legal) way to get around the limit:
The weak verification you posted about initially seems to open a theoretical door, but I guess I'm looking at two things. First, "why bother to do it the slow and tedious way when you can do it legally and much faster way" via Super PACs, lobbyists and heavens knows how many other ways. Maybe you're right, and given some thought it could generate significant bucks, but I still go back to the second thing... It's all about power, and the folks with money have the power. If one door closes, they'll just figure out how to frame up a new one and use it. And it doesn't matter what side of the political spectrum they are on. These guys (and I mean both sides) make the rules and play the game. We peons can argue about who is breaking what rule, but we're just bystanders watching the game unfold. BTW, I'm curious. How did you explain this to Discover and Visa when you asked for the refund? (You can plead the Fifth if you prefer.)
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| George K | Apr 2 2012, 02:51 PM Post #7 |
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I didn't ask. Discover just credited my account with the exorbitant amount that I contributed ($10, I think). The charge was reversed on my statement as a credit. Unfortunately, I don't have that statement handy, and Discover won't let you search more than two years in the past. Visa just accepted the charge and let it go. I did nothing more. |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| somebody else's sock | Apr 2 2012, 03:11 PM Post #8 |
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Middle Aged Carp
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So while the donation went through the Obama site, Discover figured out it shouldn't have without you alerting them? Interesting commentary on how good Visa's systems are. I always thought Discover was better about monitoring for fraud. |
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| George K | Apr 2 2012, 03:18 PM Post #9 |
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The transaction went through to both sites, but Discover issued a credit. Back then, I was able to make *two* contributions Obama using the same Visa card with two different names. Neither was refunded. |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| George K | Apr 2 2012, 03:28 PM Post #10 |
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Lots of links to the donation sites, a video, and a link to the donation page for (koff, koff) Americans living outside the US. http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/04/02/video-obama-campaign-disables-credit-card-verification-accepts-donation-from-nidal-hasan/ |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| somebody else's sock | Apr 2 2012, 06:09 PM Post #11 |
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Middle Aged Carp
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This worries me way more than the credit card loophole And a snapshot of who the really big players are |
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| George K | Apr 2 2012, 06:15 PM Post #12 |
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Nah, they're all pikers. You wanna see a the *really* big players? Click. |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| Aqua Letifer | Apr 2 2012, 06:24 PM Post #13 |
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ZOOOOOM!
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I don't understand what there is to complain about here. This year the federal government removed the cap on campaign donations. The sky is the limit for special interests if they want to buy a candidate's loyalty and we're worried about John Galt and his mysterious donation of under a thousand dollars. We're terrified of foreign donations but we let domestic branches of a multinational corporation throw as much money into the war chest as they want. Insanity. |
| I cite irreconcilable differences. | |
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| somebody else's sock | Apr 2 2012, 06:36 PM Post #14 |
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Middle Aged Carp
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Just a few more ways to look at who legally contributes: Foreign-connected PACs: http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/foreign.php Leadership PACs: http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/industry.php?txt=Q03&cycle=2012 Top 20 PAC contributors to candidates: http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/toppacs.php |
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| Riley | Apr 2 2012, 07:08 PM Post #15 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Funny they have to make laws to stop people from giving too much money away to politicians
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| Aqua Letifer | Apr 2 2012, 07:17 PM Post #16 |
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ZOOOOOM!
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Did you check out the link George provided? It's not people who are the concern. |
| I cite irreconcilable differences. | |
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| jon-nyc | Apr 3 2012, 01:19 AM Post #17 |
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You're misinterpreting that link. Those are not donations from those organizations. They are donations from people who work at those organizations. Big difference. |
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| Aqua Letifer | Apr 3 2012, 01:46 AM Post #18 |
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ZOOOOOM!
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Where do you personally draw the line between the two? |
| I cite irreconcilable differences. | |
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| jon-nyc | Apr 3 2012, 01:58 AM Post #19 |
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Well, a donation by a corporation (and a corporation can have a pac, funded by its employees) is directed per the will of the organizations' leadership. The donation of an individual is done without even the knowledge of the corporation. Certainly in some organizations the correlation between the views of the leadership and the average employee might be high (some unions, oil companies). But in others there would be little correlation at all. |
| In my defense, I was left unsupervised. | |
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| Aqua Letifer | Apr 3 2012, 02:24 AM Post #20 |
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ZOOOOOM!
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Sounds to me then like it'd be more accurate to say the difference is big to negligible, depending on separate circumstances. |
| I cite irreconcilable differences. | |
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| apple | Apr 3 2012, 03:08 AM Post #21 |
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if you are the uber conservative type you might want to check out Imprimis, with speeches delivered at Hillsdale College.. one can even get a subscription for free. some of the speeches included in the newsletters are excellent. If you wanted one of your kids to be a Republican senator or rep.. Hillsdale would be a great place to go. Anyway, i suspect they know of many legal ways to contribute. Kim gets this.. he loves it.. i do too sometimes altho i have no need to read since he memorizes, practically the speeches and practices on me. |
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| George K | Apr 5 2012, 09:48 AM Post #22 |
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Obama campaign updates security - somewhat.
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| George K | Oct 8 2012, 06:52 AM Post #23 |
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Foreign Donors? |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| Axtremus | Oct 8 2012, 06:58 AM Post #24 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Hey George, look at this $1 MILLION donation from a wholly owned subsidiary of a foreign corporation: http://www.publicintegrity.org/2012/10/05/11148/canadian-owned-firms-mega-donation-super-pac-raises-legal-red-flags Frankly, I am more suspicious about $1 MILLION donation from one entity than I do about $100 donations from 10,000 individuals. |
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| Axtremus | Oct 8 2012, 07:01 AM Post #25 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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It's a website that collects e-mail addresses, George ... can you explain to me how you figure Romney's website would be any better at screening out "foreign national" from subscribing to its e-mail communications, and how the Mitt Romney campaign's e-mail communications team would be any better at figuring out which subscribers are "foreign nationals" and hence NOT sending out any plea for contribution to their e-mail addresses? |
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