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| Who should automatically get US citizenship; in-vitro babies | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Mar 20 2012, 07:11 AM (247 Views) | |
| Axtremus | Mar 20 2012, 07:11 AM Post #1 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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The article that inspired this poll (hat tip John Galt): http://www.freep.com/usatoday/article/53656616?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE%7Cp For this poll, "automatic" means without explicitly going through a formal "adoption" process. For all cases, assume that the baby was born OUTSIDE of US territories. |
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| VPG | Mar 20 2012, 07:17 AM Post #2 |
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Pisa-Carp
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I guess Obama should. What the hell even if not born here being POTUS should get him a bye.
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I'M NOT YELLING.........I'M ITALIAN...........THAT'S HOW WE TALK! "People say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look." Ronald Reagan, Inaugural, 1971 | |
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| big al | Mar 20 2012, 07:55 AM Post #3 |
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Bull-Carp
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Thank goodness for DNA analysis to sort all those possibilities out. Obviously, simply saying I saw the baby come out is not sufficient with the possibility of surrogate mothers. Big Al |
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Location: Western PA "jesu, der simcha fun der man's farlangen." -bachophile | |
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| Axtremus | Mar 20 2012, 09:37 PM Post #4 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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*bump* |
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| John D'Oh | Mar 21 2012, 04:30 AM Post #5 |
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MAMIL
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If the unborn are to be given human rights equal to those of human beings, then citizenship should be decided upon the place of conception. If this were done, my daughter would be Canadian rather than American, and we wouldn't need to keep her locked in the basement. |
| What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket? | |
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| Copper | Mar 21 2012, 05:50 AM Post #6 |
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Shortstop
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Give US citizenship to everyone, the whole wide world. And give them a tax bill to go with it. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| Jane D'Oh | Mar 21 2012, 10:00 AM Post #7 |
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Fulla-Carp
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Well I think the situation is ludicrous. The sperm and the egg should not have nationalities, they should be considered to be nationality-neutral, the issue should be determined by who/what the parents are. That's my 2 cents for you, since you cared enough to bump it
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| Axtremus | Mar 21 2012, 12:22 PM Post #8 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Another poster at WTF touched on the same point, here's my response given that consideration: ... I am not entirely sure who the existing laws recognize, by default, as the parent(s)" of an in-vitro child. There is no guarantee that such laws will be consistent, or even just "compatible," from country to country. "Adoption" is a formal process through which people not previously recognized as having a parent-child relationship get legal recognition for such a relationship. Consider the co-mingling of the two: 1. In country A, absent other explicit arrangements/agreements, the law recognizes the woman who bears an in-vitro baby to term as a rightful of said baby. As such, "adoption" is not necessary, and may even be legally "impossible" since the drafters of adoption laws did not anticipate the need for the birth mother to "adopt" her baby. 2. In country B, absent other explicit arrangements/agreements, the law does not recognize the woman who bears an in-vitro baby to term as a rightful of said baby. As such, the said woman to get recognized by country B as a "parent" for said baby, some other arrangement has to take place, such as "adoption." Now problem arise if a woman citizen of country B bears an in-vitro baby to term and delivers in country A, then try to get said baby citizenship for country B. Country B does not recognize the woman as the in-vitro baby's "parent" absent a formal "adoption" process having taken place. Country A by default recognizes the woman as the baby's "parent" and has no provision to let the woman "adopts" her own baby, i.e., an "adoption" is not possible in Country A. Then woman and baby is stuck as Country B requires a legal process that cannot be legally facilitated by Country A.
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