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| Woman denied Communion because she's a lesbian | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Mar 1 2012, 08:38 AM (4,040 Views) | |
| somebody else's sock | Mar 1 2012, 08:38 AM Post #1 |
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Middle Aged Carp
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-archdiocese-denying-communion-to-lesbian-at-funeral-was-against-policy/2012/02/28/gIQAlIxVgR_story.html?wprss&google_editors_picks=true |
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| Mikhailoh | Mar 1 2012, 09:21 AM Post #2 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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It should not have happened, but she has no standing to dictate the church's response to the incident. It is only a big whoop in the news because gay is the flavor of the week in the downtrodden. If this was done to a heterosexual for cohabitation everyone would yawn and say big deal. Gay is the new black. |
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| KlavierBauer | Mar 1 2012, 09:31 AM Post #3 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Mik: I have to agree. If a priest denied communion to someone for cohabitation, fornication, or alcoholism nobody would make a big muck about it. In fact - priests are withholding communion every week in churches everywhere - that's their job, to protect the sacrament and help those receiving it to be "ready" (confessions, prayers, etc.) before hand. |
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"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper "He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple | |
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| John D'Oh | Mar 1 2012, 09:32 AM Post #4 |
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It beats me why anybody want to belong a church that treated them as second class citizens. If someone told me I wasn't fit to take communion because I drank at my mother's funeral, I'd tell them to go f*ck themselves. |
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| kenny | Mar 1 2012, 09:33 AM Post #5 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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The take-away for the woman, the congregation and the world is: God makes a mistake when he makes gays. Pffft! That "explanation" that 'Oh but we are all sinners' doesn't fly since others get communion. |
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| Copper | Mar 1 2012, 09:36 AM Post #6 |
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The Post has no standing to turn this private religious matter into a political debate. The church is perfectly within its rights to turn away anyone they want. By the way, the priest's boss (the archdiocese) has said the priest's action was against policy and has apologized to the victim. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| Dave Spelvin | Mar 1 2012, 09:36 AM Post #7 |
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Fulla-Carp
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Huh? What happened to hate the sin love the sinner? |
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| Copper | Mar 1 2012, 09:37 AM Post #8 |
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Shortstop
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The take-away for the woman is a letter of apology. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| The 89th Key | Mar 1 2012, 10:06 AM Post #9 |
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Agree or not with what happened, you're spot on with this point. |
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| kenny | Mar 1 2012, 10:06 AM Post #10 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Uhm, being gay is not a sin. This is just another example of how it's a club that makes people feel superior. |
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| somebody else's sock | Mar 1 2012, 10:10 AM Post #11 |
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Middle Aged Carp
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My understanding is that divorced Catholics who remarry without obtaining a declaration of nullity are not allowed to receive any of the Sacraments. Some 90 year old Catholic woman who divorced and remarried without getting an annulment is on her deathbed. What do you think about a priest denying her the Anointing of the Sick? |
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| Axtremus | Mar 1 2012, 10:16 AM Post #12 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I fully recognize the Catholic church's and the priest's right to refuse said anointment much like I recognize their right to deny communion per the article. I would also say that such refusal and denial are wrong and stupid, but in these particular cases, I would recognize their right to do these particular wrong and stupid things. |
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| Mikhailoh | Mar 1 2012, 10:23 AM Post #13 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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I think that is between the woman and the church. What you or I think of it is immaterial. |
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| Axtremus | Mar 1 2012, 10:28 AM Post #14 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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What you think is immaterial. What I think is universally profound and important.
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| kenny | Mar 1 2012, 10:30 AM Post #15 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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What people are taught to think, and hence vote, denies me civil rights. |
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| Mikhailoh | Mar 1 2012, 10:34 AM Post #16 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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Depends on what you deem civil rights. Can you vote? Can you own property? Use the same restroom as other guys? Can you do whatever the hell you want? Sure. You just can't get married, which you don't intend to do anyway. No harm, no foul. Since it really does not impact you in any significant way, you're just whining because not everyone approves of the way you live. |
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| Copper | Mar 1 2012, 10:35 AM Post #17 |
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What you teach here is much worse. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| John D'Oh | Mar 1 2012, 10:38 AM Post #18 |
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MAMIL
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It's worth noting that Jesus gave Communion to Judas Iscariot. This guy might need to re-think his priorities a bit if he wants to better emulate his saviour. |
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| Copper | Mar 1 2012, 10:40 AM Post #19 |
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Your understanding is incorrect. But don't worry, your spreading this sort of thing here has no effect at all. Any one of us could write the posts on this topic for any one of us. There is a well defined group here who likes to blindly defame the church and a well defined group who gives them some satisfaction by replying to the nonsense. This pattern is well established, with minimum deviation. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| somebody else's sock | Mar 1 2012, 10:50 AM Post #20 |
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Middle Aged Carp
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I double checked the websites for several Catholic archdioceses before posting that statement. The Archdiocese of Atlanta's page on divorced Catholics who remarry said this about their ability to receive sacraments. The bolding is mine:
http://www.archatl.com/offices/tribunal/drm_c.html I'm not sure why you say my understanding is incorrect. I posted this because for me it was sad, and I was interested in discussing it. Everyone else managed to do so without accusing me of being part of a conspiracy. Edited by somebody else's sock, Mar 1 2012, 10:52 AM.
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| Mikhailoh | Mar 1 2012, 10:52 AM Post #21 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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Well, we know you are part of a conspiracy, but generally don't want you to know that we know. Now you know. |
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| Copper | Mar 1 2012, 11:07 AM Post #22 |
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Because it is incorrect. Many priests will tell you that everyone is welcome, and they are. Very few priests, I know none, will ask about the status of any previous marriage, or anything else, before giving communion. It just doesn't work that way. The intent of you hypothetical question is clear. You describe a sad case and offer an opportunity for those who might be so inclined to say how mean those Catholics are. If that case exists it would certainly be news, you could probably Google a link to make your case. But it just doesn't work that way. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| Dave Spelvin | Mar 1 2012, 11:18 AM Post #23 |
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Fulla-Carp
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A few points, Kenny: 1. My point, in case you missed it, is that the priest should turn away no one because each person is a child of god. The Catholic Church believes that homosexual acts are sinful, but that shouldn't mean that homosexuals are any less children of god and deserving of the Church's ministrations. The archdiocese's understanding appears to be consistent with mine. 2. Nowhere did I state that I believe homosexual acts to be sins or that they are sins. In fact, I am entirely hands off on the subject: Leave me alone and I'll leave you alone. 3. You have the right under the laws of the United States to perform whichever homosexual acts you so choose, provided that your partner lets you (or, at least, states with anti-sodomy laws don't enforce them much anymore). In some jurisdictions, you even have the right to marry your same-gendered beloved. On the other hand, the Church has the right to have and enforce whatever rules it wants, whether they are derived from the Bible or from a faded Batman comic book or anything in between, with respect to homosexuality or any other subject. It may be a club that makes people feel superior, as you say, or it may be god's edifice on earth, but in all events it is not up to you to determine the rules of the club. They get to call you a sinner and you get to call them a bigoted club. See how dandy that works out? |
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| Mikhailoh | Mar 1 2012, 11:23 AM Post #24 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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You just can't force people to like you. Most people learned that in elementary school. |
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| Axtremus | Mar 1 2012, 11:29 AM Post #25 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Don't ask, don't tell. |
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