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Privatizing the Prisons; Yea or Nay?
Topic Started: Feb 14 2012, 08:25 AM (692 Views)
Axtremus
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What do you think of letting private enterprises run the prisons in general?

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/14/private-prisons-buying-state-prisons_n_1272143.html
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ivorythumper
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"an assurance that the prison would remain at least 90 percent full," Yikes. It's in the State's interest to decrease crime and subsequent incarceration.
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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I say nay - study private prison situations and see if there is anything to learn from and implement.
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jon-nyc
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Nay. Don't like the conflicts. And no union for prison workers, same reason.
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ivorythumper
Feb 14 2012, 08:28 AM
"an assurance that the prison would remain at least 90 percent full," Yikes. It's in the State's interest to decrease crime and subsequent incarceration.
Which is why this is a horrible ****ing idea.

I mean I can't even count on my two hands and feet how many 80s dystopian future movies feature privatized prisons.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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Mikhailoh
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Keeping prisons 90 percent full is by no means an issue. We're letting people out early due to overcrowding. If something comes along to reduce incarceration substantially we should have enough lead time to adjust contractual arrangements.

I'd like to see the pros and cons, but don;t have time to read it now.
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Mikhailoh
Feb 14 2012, 09:35 AM
Keeping prisons 90 percent full is by no means an issue. We're letting people out early due to overcrowding. If something comes along to reduce incarceration substantially we should have enough lead time to adjust contractual arrangements.

I'd like to see the pros and cons, but don;t have time to read it now.
So you see no scenario in which it would be in the company's interest to keep incarceration numbers high? You think that wouldn't at all matter to them?
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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Kincaid
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We have a beautiful jail built locally that never has been used. Sits empty and costs $300k a year to maintain.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/02/state_of_oregon_decides_agains.html
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Axtremus
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Kincaid
Feb 14 2012, 09:45 AM
We have a beautiful jail built locally that never has been used. Sits empty and costs $300k a year to maintain.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/02/state_of_oregon_decides_agains.html
Can't you turn it into a tourist attraction?

"Experience being an inmate for $119.95 a day!
$299.95 package deal for a family of 4,
$99.79 extra for a night of maximum security, solitary confinement experience!
All stay includes a signed certificate proving that you have survived prison."
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ivorythumper
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Axtremus
Feb 14 2012, 11:17 AM
Kincaid
Feb 14 2012, 09:45 AM
We have a beautiful jail built locally that never has been used. Sits empty and costs $300k a year to maintain.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/02/state_of_oregon_decides_agains.html
Can't you turn it into a tourist attraction?

"Experience being an inmate for $119.95 a day!
$299.95 package deal for a family of 4,
$99.79 extra for a night of maximum security, solitary confinement experience!
All stay includes a signed certificate proving that you have survived prison."
Sort of like the hotel we stayed in in Boston... :lol2:
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Mikhailoh
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Feb 14 2012, 09:37 AM
Mikhailoh
Feb 14 2012, 09:35 AM
Keeping prisons 90 percent full is by no means an issue. We're letting people out early due to overcrowding. If something comes along to reduce incarceration substantially we should have enough lead time to adjust contractual arrangements.

I'd like to see the pros and cons, but don;t have time to read it now.
So you see no scenario in which it would be in the company's interest to keep incarceration numbers high? You think that wouldn't at all matter to them?
Given a properly written contract, they should have no influence, outside of outright bribery of judges or prosecutors, on the size of that population. They would not be involved in sentencing or parole. So no, that conflict does not bother me.
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The way the conflict would play out is in (for example) them lobbying hard or funding referendums on 3 strikes laws, mandatory sentencing guidelines and such.

This is what the rancid and foul prison workers union in CA did.

Think what you will about 3 strikes laws and mandatory sentencing, I hope we can all agree that prison workers/owners lobbying for them or funding referendums about them is unsettling.
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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Feb 14 2012, 09:34 AM
ivorythumper
Feb 14 2012, 08:28 AM
"an assurance that the prison would remain at least 90 percent full," Yikes. It's in the State's interest to decrease crime and subsequent incarceration.
Which is why this is a horrible ****ing idea.

I mean I can't even count on my two hands and feet how many 80s dystopian future movies feature privatized prisons.


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Arnold Schwarzenegger re-teams with Stallone for 'Tomb'

by Jeff Labrecque

Arnold Schwarzenegger will star opposite Sylvester Stallone in The Tomb, playing a imprisoned convict who wisely counsels his despairing fellow inmates. Stallone is the high-security prison expert who has to find a way out of the flawless jail he himself created. Swedish filmmaker Mikael Håfström (The Rite) is directing. “I am thrilled to be making The Tomb with two film icons — Sylvester Stallone and Arnold Schwarzenegger,” said producer Mark Canton (300), in a statement. “It is the perfect pairing for this high octane thriller.”

Schwarzenegger and Stallone also have the Expendables sequel coming out this summer.


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jon-nyc
Feb 14 2012, 12:11 PM
The way the conflict would play out is in (for example) them lobbying hard or funding referendums on 3 strikes laws, mandatory sentencing guidelines and such.

This is what the rancid and foul prison workers union in CA did.

Think what you will about 3 strikes laws and mandatory sentencing, I hope we can all agree that prison workers/owners lobbying for them or funding referendums about them is unsettling.
But..but.. unions are GOOD! It's corporations that are bad, right?

Oh, wait....
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jon-nyc
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Whom do you think you're talking to? Or channeling for that matter?


And do you really think a private corporation that ran prisons wouldn't behave similarly to the CA union? Perhaps worse since it would likely have more resources at its disposal?
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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Mikhailoh
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That wasn't specifically directed at you, Jon, just at those who praise the unions while damning corporations.

I don't know that a corrections corporation would have more resources than a union. Unions are pretty well connected and they don't have to make a profit to have resources. Nice job you got there. Shame if something happened to it.
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KlavierBauer
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Prisons already are privatized - what's the debate?

We have a prison 50 miles from here that is Alaskan.
100% of its inmates are flown in from Alaska, as Alaska has contracted this private company to run their prison. The inmates are all Alaskan - mostly inuit/native - and will never receive visitors as their relatives can't easily come here to visit.

About 90% full though - the company is simply protecting itself by making sure it is contracted to do enough work to make money. You can't contractually hire the prison to be (for example) for Alaska's use only, and then send only 50 inmates.
Society still controls who goes there - the private company gets no say in who gets convicted, or released.
So I can't imagine a situation in which the privatization of the prison leads to packed-prisons for profiteering. They'll never be able to house anyone who wasn't convicted by the State.
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KlavierBauer
Feb 14 2012, 12:58 PM
So I can't imagine a situation in which the privatization of the prison leads to packed-prisons for profiteering. They'll never be able to house anyone who wasn't convicted by the State.
You can't even imagine a private corporation lobbying for or funding referenda for three strikes laws, mandatory sentencing guidelines, stricter drug laws, etc?
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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KlavierBauer
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Jon:
I can see what you're saying - I guess I can imagine such a situation, but find it very unlikely if it were so transparent as explained in the hypothetical.

Perhaps I'm way off though...
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jon-nyc
Feb 14 2012, 12:11 PM
The way the conflict would play out is in (for example) them lobbying hard or funding referendums on 3 strikes laws, mandatory sentencing guidelines and such.

This is what the rancid and foul prison workers union in CA did.

Think what you will about 3 strikes laws and mandatory sentencing, I hope we can all agree that prison workers/owners lobbying for them or funding referendums about them is unsettling.
I agree, it's absolutely disgusting.
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KlavierBauer
Feb 14 2012, 12:58 PM
About 90% full though - the company is simply protecting itself by making sure it is contracted to do enough work to make money. You can't contractually hire the prison to be (for example) for Alaska's use only, and then send only 50 inmates.
Society still controls who goes there - the private company gets no say in who gets convicted, or released.
So I can't imagine a situation in which the privatization of the prison leads to packed-prisons for profiteering. They'll never be able to house anyone who wasn't convicted by the State.
I think that's pretty thick, man.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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Mikhailoh
Feb 14 2012, 12:48 PM
That wasn't specifically directed at you, Jon, just at those who praise the unions while damning corporations.
Not sure who this was directed to either, but why do you think labor unions were even developed? Thousands of workers wanting to band together because of how excellently they've been treated?

Obviously there are plenty of scenarios in which unions do disgusting things, as in jon's example. Which is why all organizations with leverage should be suspect, union and corporation alike.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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Mikhailoh
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That's pretty much what I said.
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Mikhailoh
Feb 14 2012, 07:14 PM
That's pretty much what I said.
Actually, based on what you said...

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But..but.. unions are GOOD! It's corporations that are bad, right? 

Oh, wait....


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Unions are pretty well connected and they don't have to make a profit to have resources. Nice job you got there. Shame if something happened to it.


...it seems that you are of the general opinion that corporations are good, and unions are bad. ^_^
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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