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Why Gay Marriage is Inevitable; ... in a word, youth
Topic Started: Feb 13 2012, 11:00 AM (788 Views)
George K
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Finally
John D'Oh
Feb 14 2012, 05:59 AM
George K
Feb 14 2012, 05:53 AM
Moonbat
Feb 14 2012, 05:47 AM
Humans don't need to experience things themselves to learn from them, we can inherit the thoughts of others. We can read. We can listen. We can watch.
Bushwa.

Ask anyone who has practiced his craft for 20 or 30 years if he had the wisdom when beginning that he does now.
Not always true. To take an extreme example, Einstein was only 26 when he published breakthrough papers in the photoelectric effect, Brownian motion, special relativity, and the equivalence of matter and energy. After 30 years he wasn't doing anything comparable.

Sometimes energy is a pretty good substitute for decrepit experience.
True, but we're talking wisdom here, and for every Einstein, there's a thousand other scientists, attorneys who do not hit their stride until well into their careers. I'm not sure I'd classify what Einstein's insights were as "wisdom." When it comes to cosmology and the like, yeah, Einstein was pretty smart in his 20s, but when it's your estate on the line in a lawsuit, do you want a 26 year old attorney taking care of you or a 45 year old one? They've both read the same books, heard the same lectures, etc. I could say the same thing about surgeons.

THere's a difference between wisdom and knowledge.
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I find that people younger than me are best described as callow, whereas those older than me are intransigent and reactionary. If only everybody could be my age.
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kenny
Feb 13 2012, 11:00 AM
Why Gay Marriage is Inevitable
Not for me it isn't, I'm straight.
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Damn. My hopes are dashed. I thought surely the toes would do it....
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Feb 14 2012, 05:52 AM
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Feb 14 2012, 05:47 AM
Oh and whilst time must be a factor there is a short cut. Our civilisation is built upon it. Humans don't need to experience things themselves to learn from them, we can inherit the thoughts of others. We can read. We can listen. We can watch.
I'm sitting on the shoulders of pygmies.

Like many insensitive racial stereotypes there is a grain of truth.
The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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Mikhailoh
Feb 14 2012, 04:54 AM
So very wrong. One calls upon wisdom to guide one's reasoning.
You're giddy for the expedience of pruning the solution space before the application of reason; I mourn the solution space sacrificed before the application of reason.
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Feb 14 2012, 05:47 AM
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How do you figure? Wisdom comes from experience, and one gains experience through the years. I don't know of any shortcut. Of course some people stagnate, but if wisdom is to be gained at all, time most certainly must play a factor.


Saying with age comes wisdom is like saying with age comes knowledge of relativistic mechanics, whilst it's true it takes time to gain knowledge of relativistic mechanics, passage of time does not automatically lead to it.
Yes, a brilliant summation of, well, my post exactly, good show man. :thumb:

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Oh and whilst time must be a factor there is a short cut. Our civilisation is built upon it. Humans don't need to experience things themselves to learn from them, we can inherit the thoughts of others. We can read. We can listen. We can watch.


It takes time to read, listen and watch. My assertion still stands. There is no shortcut.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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It takes time to read, listen and watch.


It takes decidedly less.
Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem
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Moonbat
Feb 14 2012, 08:49 AM
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It takes time to read, listen and watch.


It takes decidedly less.
Yeah, and as the Chinese saying goes, 1 part theory, 10 parts practice. Read yourself a nice big ol' tome on woodcarving and let me know how your first figurine comes out.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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Aqua Letifer
Feb 14 2012, 09:25 AM
Yeah, and as the Chinese saying goes, 1 part theory, 10 parts practice. Read yourself a nice big ol' tome on woodcarving and let me know how your first figurine comes out.
Since this is a marriage thread, maybe reading a different kind of book is more applicable.

[Dirty old man voice] 'Hello my dear, would you like to see my collection of woodcarvings? I can show you a rather lovely little figurine if you're interested...'
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Axtremus
Feb 14 2012, 08:09 AM
Mikhailoh
Feb 14 2012, 04:54 AM
So very wrong. One calls upon wisdom to guide one's reasoning.
You're giddy for the expedience of pruning the solution space before the application of reason; I mourn the solution space sacrificed before the application of reason.
You must have a very rigid and limited reasoning capability. My experiential knowledge does not limit my solution space in any way, it simply gives me a better framework to flesh out an idea and consider its chance of success.
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Read yourself a nice big ol' tome on woodcarving and let me know how your first figurine comes out.


If I do will you let me know how it relates to wisdom?
Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem
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My experiential knowledge does not limit my solution space in any way,


Then it has no use.
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Pruning the solution space?

WTF are you guys talking about?

The only pruning I do is of roses, after spreading the area liberally with bullsh!t. Is that what you're doing?
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Moonbat
Feb 14 2012, 12:01 PM
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Read yourself a nice big ol' tome on woodcarving and let me know how your first figurine comes out.


If I do will you let me know how it relates to wisdom?
What exactly is this magical "wisdom" of which you speak?
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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Feb 14 2012, 12:01 PM
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My experiential knowledge does not limit my solution space in any way,


Then it has no use.
Of course it has use. But it does not have to stop you from considering ideas you or someone else have not directly tried.
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What exactly is this magical "wisdom" of which you speak?


Insight into ourselves, others and the world around us? Wise men knows the things that ultimately lead to happiness and misery? :shrug: I was responding to Horace's statement or rather Aqua's reply to it and in that context it's seems merely a catch all for attitudes that are considered in some general sense superior.

Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem
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Moonbat
Feb 14 2012, 01:23 PM
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What exactly is this magical "wisdom" of which you speak?


Insight into ourselves, others and the world around us? Wise men knows the things that ultimately lead to happiness and misery? :shrug: I was responding to Horace's statement or rather Aqua's reply to it and in that context it's seems merely a catch all for attitudes that are considered in some general sense superior.

You sound like you're lapsing into philosophy in your old age. ^_^
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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HOLY CARP!!!
I think we're more or less wired to gradually accept received ideas of arbitrarily weak justification as fact as long as we're consistently surrounded by people who also accept those ideas, and, of course, as long as those ideas are self-serving. Thus with age comes the almost inevitable slide into solidified worldviews which, being based on ideas vetted by the masses, are based on essential mediocrity of concept.

I've watched people I grew up with and respect grow into robots who parrot patently absurd party lines, and it makes me sad.

But I also know it doesn't make them sad. They like believing in things, and they like feeling like they're smart.

They'd never felt it before. Politics (worldviews) gives people that chance. Questions so complex that the answers can't be proven right or wrong. Everybody can feel like a genius if they just believe.
As a good person, I implore you to do as I, a good person, do. Be good. Do NOT be bad. If you see bad, end bad. End it in yourself, and end it in others. By any means necessary, the good must conquer the bad. Good people know this. Do you know this? Are you good?
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Horace
Feb 15 2012, 12:24 AM
I think we're more or less wired to gradually accept received ideas of arbitrarily weak justification as fact as long as we're consistently surrounded by people who also accept those ideas, and, of course, as long as those ideas are self-serving. Thus with age comes the almost inevitable slide into solidified worldviews which, being based on ideas vetted by the masses, are based on essential mediocrity of concept.

I've watched people I grew up with and respect grow into robots who parrot patently absurd party lines, and it makes me sad.

But I also know it doesn't make them sad. They like believing in things, and they like feeling like they're smart.

They'd never felt it before. Politics (worldviews) gives people that chance. Questions so complex that the answers can't be proven right or wrong. Everybody can feel like a genius if they just believe.
How can you possibly know that your reflections herein are not the result of the same sort of process -- perhaps in an antihero sort of way? ^-^ (just being provocative, Horace).
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Feb 15 2012, 12:44 AM
Horace
Feb 15 2012, 12:24 AM
I think we're more or less wired to gradually accept received ideas of arbitrarily weak justification as fact as long as we're consistently surrounded by people who also accept those ideas, and, of course, as long as those ideas are self-serving. Thus with age comes the almost inevitable slide into solidified worldviews which, being based on ideas vetted by the masses, are based on essential mediocrity of concept.

I've watched people I grew up with and respect grow into robots who parrot patently absurd party lines, and it makes me sad.

But I also know it doesn't make them sad. They like believing in things, and they like feeling like they're smart.

They'd never felt it before. Politics (worldviews) gives people that chance. Questions so complex that the answers can't be proven right or wrong. Everybody can feel like a genius if they just believe.
How can you possibly know that your reflections herein are not the result of the same sort of process -- perhaps in an antihero sort of way? ^-^ (just being provocative, Horace).
I do give plenty of thought to that possibility, and the chance is non-zero. :)
As a good person, I implore you to do as I, a good person, do. Be good. Do NOT be bad. If you see bad, end bad. End it in yourself, and end it in others. By any means necessary, the good must conquer the bad. Good people know this. Do you know this? Are you good?
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