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Where's the Catholic Church must cover contraception and abortion thread?
Topic Started: Feb 7 2012, 05:07 PM (1,507 Views)
George K
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Axtremus
Feb 11 2012, 08:16 AM
Who is paying for it? Every body who pays the insurance company premium
In other words, the Catholic Church.

Are insurance plans that don't cover contraception sterilization and abortifactants cheaper? I have no idea, but I'd assume they are, since they provide fewer services.
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Copper
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Feb 11 2012, 08:16 AM

Every body who pays the insurance company premium

This might be right if the insurance company was just providing insurance.

Insurance involves some risk.

There is no insurance/risk here, this is a straight unfunded mandate give-away-on-demand-program.
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Jolly
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Axtremus
Feb 11 2012, 07:53 AM
Jolly
Feb 11 2012, 07:46 AM
Axtremus
Feb 11 2012, 07:44 AM
Are you saying that women who work for church-affiliated organizations have to get lesser artificial contraceptive coverage?
It's a somewhat free country.

They can always work somewhere else.
Thank you for clarifying. You stick to that, Jolly.
I don't know about you, but I look at both salary and benefits before taking a job.

You want health coverage that covers contraception? Go to work for someone besides the Catholic Church.

This ain't rocket surgery.
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ivorythumper
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jon-nyc
Feb 11 2012, 01:37 AM
Churches are exempt.
But practitioners aren't. The Bill of Rights is a guarantee for the rights of individuals.
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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ivorythumper
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apple
Feb 11 2012, 05:55 AM
in my neck of the woods, the Catholics can do some drinking.. some heavy drinking. I always found this surprising... or maybe they are all just great friends who can let it all hang out and have some great fun.

I think the hardest I've ever laughed was coming upon a group of them drinking margaritas from a cooler.. they were all toasted and laughing. Apparently Tom and Regina, a married couple and parents to 10 kids are in charge of the 'natural family planning' chapter of our parish.I've been thinking about it.. well I've been laughing about it for years. They are a darling couple but have failed their own course big time.
How is having 10 kids failing NFP? It sounds like they are massively successful.
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ivorythumper
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George K
Feb 11 2012, 08:00 AM
Axtremus
Feb 11 2012, 07:44 AM
Are you saying that women who work for church-affiliated organizations have to get lesser artificial contraceptive coverage?
No, I'm saying that this STILL forces chuch-affiliated organizations to pay for artificial contraception and abortifactants.
It also forces Catholic insurance companies to pay for items that are against their religious practice, as well as other Catholic companies to pay premiums that cover these items -- hence a 1st amendment issue.
Edited by ivorythumper, Feb 11 2012, 10:17 AM.
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jon-nyc
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ivorythumper
Feb 11 2012, 10:11 AM
jon-nyc
Feb 11 2012, 01:37 AM
Churches are exempt.
But practitioners aren't. The Bill of Rights is a guarantee for the rights of individuals.
Then change your graphic already.
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ivorythumper
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jon-nyc
Feb 11 2012, 10:28 AM
ivorythumper
Feb 11 2012, 10:11 AM
jon-nyc
Feb 11 2012, 01:37 AM
Churches are exempt.
But practitioners aren't. The Bill of Rights is a guarantee for the rights of individuals.
Then change your graphic already.
It's not my graphic, and its also not wrong.
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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jon-nyc
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Yeah, its not wrong in that both statements are true, but is misleading since they're unrelated.

Kind of like:

1. The Church funds clinics.
2. Clinics provide abortions.

Its true, but misleading.
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jon-nyc
Feb 11 2012, 10:55 AM
Yeah, its not wrong in that both statements are true, but is misleading since they're unrelated.

Kind of like:

1. The Church funds clinics.
2. Clinics provide abortions.

Its true, but misleading.
parallel fail. Different kinds of clinics, not different kinds of insurance.
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Copper
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ivorythumper
Feb 11 2012, 10:16 AM

It also forces Catholic insurance companies to pay for items that are against their religious practice, as well as other Catholic companies to pay premiums that cover these items -- hence a 1st amendment issue.

Does the Church and the insurance companies have the option to just not offer prescription coverage?

Not a good option for many, but then they aren't forced to do anything.

Maybe this is simply Mr. Obama's way of eliminating competition for his own brand of health insurance.
The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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ivorythumper
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Copper
Feb 11 2012, 03:40 PM
Maybe this is simply Mr. Obama's way of eliminating competition for his own brand of health insurance.
That's my guess.
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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jon-nyc
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ivorythumper
Feb 11 2012, 03:31 PM
jon-nyc
Feb 11 2012, 10:55 AM
Yeah, its not wrong in that both statements are true, but is misleading since they're unrelated.

Kind of like:

1. The Church funds clinics.
2. Clinics provide abortions.

Its true, but misleading.
parallel fail. Different kinds of clinics, not different kinds of insurance.
Yes different kinds of insurance, the church can buy insurance that respects their medieval view about contraception, the one rejected by substantially all of their parishioners, if polls are to be believed.
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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ivorythumper
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jon-nyc
Feb 11 2012, 04:23 PM
ivorythumper
Feb 11 2012, 03:31 PM
jon-nyc
Feb 11 2012, 10:55 AM
Yeah, its not wrong in that both statements are true, but is misleading since they're unrelated.

Kind of like:

1. The Church funds clinics.
2. Clinics provide abortions.

Its true, but misleading.
parallel fail. Different kinds of clinics, not different kinds of insurance.
Yes different kinds of insurance, the church can buy insurance that respects their medieval view about contraception, the one rejected by substantially all of their parishioners, if polls are to be believed.
History fail.
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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