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| Axtremus | Feb 10 2012, 05:54 PM Post #151 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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There you go again. "All marriages are considered valid" ...except same-sex marriages per your post. |
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| KlavierBauer | Feb 10 2012, 05:56 PM Post #152 |
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Ax: I'm not sure what point you keep trying to make. If there isn't gay marriage, isn't IT's statement logically true? |
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"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper "He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple | |
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| ivorythumper | Feb 10 2012, 05:59 PM Post #153 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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Yes, non marriages that someone calls "marriage" are not considered valid. E.g., two children who play to be married and call themselves married really aren't married and don't need an annulment. I'm glad you're following along. |
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| jon-nyc | Feb 10 2012, 06:01 PM Post #154 |
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Cheers
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Yes. |
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| KlavierBauer | Feb 10 2012, 06:02 PM Post #155 |
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Marriages, being a legal definition, are tautologically valid no? (agreeing with your point IT) |
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"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper "He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple | |
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| jon-nyc | Feb 10 2012, 06:03 PM Post #156 |
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Cheers
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Well, its a tautology, tantamount to 'the church considers all marriages valid except for the ones that it doesn't consider valid'. |
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| KlavierBauer | Feb 10 2012, 06:06 PM Post #157 |
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Right... |
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"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper "He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple | |
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| ivorythumper | Feb 10 2012, 06:08 PM Post #158 |
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That would actually be an interesting point to make if it had any relevance to either the way the Church adjudicates broken marriages or to anything I wrote. |
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| ivorythumper | Feb 10 2012, 06:16 PM Post #159 |
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Not my point. Marriage, being the permanent and exclusive union of one man and woman for the mutual benefit of the spouses and to provide for the formation and education of any children therein engendered, are presumed valid without evidence to the contrary. All the legal discussion is quite secondary to the primary understanding of marriage which is foundational to any transgenerational society. To the extent that the legal system has forgotten this (or ignored it, or overruled it), those rulings are incompatible with the dictates of reason, which is the very essence of law. (and everyone -- even those advocating gay marriage and adoption -- ultimately have to appeal to reason on some level as the basis of law). |
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| John D'Oh | Feb 10 2012, 06:47 PM Post #160 |
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MAMIL
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So, by 'any marriage' what they actually mean is 'any marriage that we acknowledge to be marriage'. Therefore, if a gay bloke is legally married to another bloke, the Roman Catholic church should let him marry a woman without charging them the 500 bucks. |
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| ivorythumper | Feb 10 2012, 06:56 PM Post #161 |
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Why yes, that works. Any marriage we acknowledge to be marriage = any legal marriage of a consenting adult man and a consenting adult woman. It's really pretty simple, e.g., child marriage or a polygamous marriage does not require a determination of nullity. Edited by ivorythumper, Feb 10 2012, 06:59 PM.
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| Free Rider | Feb 10 2012, 06:58 PM Post #162 |
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Fulla-Carp
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I would hope the answer would be no. |
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| Dewey | Feb 10 2012, 07:50 PM Post #163 |
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You say that as if wanting to spend countless hours banging one's head against a wall via a senseless debate would be a more desirable choice. ![]() Many times, I want to simply register an opinion and not debate because while I might actually want to debate it, I don't have time to do the discussion justice. Other times, I just think it would be pointless. Often, it's actually very refreshing to just cast your ballot and leave without agreeing to be subjected to the exit |
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"By nature, i prefer brevity." - John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, p. 685. "Never waste your time trying to explain yourself to people who are committed to misunderstanding you." - Anonymous "Oh sure, every once in a while a turd floated by, but other than that it was just fine." - Joe A., 2011 I'll answer your other comments later, but my primary priority for the rest of the evening is to get drunk." - Klaus, 12/31/14 | |
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| ivorythumper | Feb 10 2012, 08:27 PM Post #164 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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I learned that to avoid spending countless hours banging one's head against a wall, it helps to not bang one's head against a wall even once. You might try that too.
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| Dewey | Feb 10 2012, 08:46 PM Post #165 |
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I have seen absolutely no evidence that you've learned that lesson at all. |
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"By nature, i prefer brevity." - John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, p. 685. "Never waste your time trying to explain yourself to people who are committed to misunderstanding you." - Anonymous "Oh sure, every once in a while a turd floated by, but other than that it was just fine." - Joe A., 2011 I'll answer your other comments later, but my primary priority for the rest of the evening is to get drunk." - Klaus, 12/31/14 | |
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| kenny | Feb 10 2012, 09:50 PM Post #166 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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FINALLY!!!
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| ivorythumper | Feb 10 2012, 10:53 PM Post #167 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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You'd be surprised how often I decide to not bang my head against the wall when you post things.
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| Dewey | Feb 10 2012, 11:17 PM Post #168 |
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Oh by all means, don't let me stop you.
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"By nature, i prefer brevity." - John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, p. 685. "Never waste your time trying to explain yourself to people who are committed to misunderstanding you." - Anonymous "Oh sure, every once in a while a turd floated by, but other than that it was just fine." - Joe A., 2011 I'll answer your other comments later, but my primary priority for the rest of the evening is to get drunk." - Klaus, 12/31/14 | |
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| Renauda | Feb 11 2012, 08:54 AM Post #169 |
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No Ax. After all these years of hot and steamy topic debate here, did you not get the memo? Same-sex marriages are invariably filed under acts of Fornication. As such, fornication is absolved by a simple trip to the confessional followed by a priestly prescription of contrite penance. No need to annul. A charitable dollar or two in the parish alms box however would be appreciated. |
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| John D'Oh | Feb 11 2012, 09:10 AM Post #170 |
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MAMIL
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I'm beginning to see a pattern. |
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| Renauda | Feb 11 2012, 09:20 AM Post #171 |
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Indeed, the sins of Sodom are dispensed with at a bargain and repeat customers, while not necessarily encouraged, are always welcome. |
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| ivorythumper | Feb 11 2012, 10:07 AM Post #172 |
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I know you keep repeating that, but homosexual acts are not fornication - they are other sorts of sins against chastity. |
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| Renauda | Feb 11 2012, 10:09 AM Post #173 |
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Can I quote you on that zinger?
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| George K | Feb 11 2012, 10:11 AM Post #174 |
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Finally
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You just did.
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| Renauda | Feb 11 2012, 10:17 AM Post #175 |
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In retrospect a more appropriate response to IT's priceless ![]()
Edited by Renauda, Feb 11 2012, 08:36 PM.
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